The Official 2017 US Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[Yipper]

The Vambo said:

I love everything about Max Verstappen, he is the best thing to happen to F1 since Lewis.

Yes, F1 hasn't been exciting since about 1995. It needs someone to shake it up and cause some theatre. The steward screwed up and Max is stirring the pot.

[hunton69]

Right decision.
So how far off the track can a driver go to overtake before he gets a penalty.
Next time it may be 2 4 6 or more feet

[troc]

Vaud said:

troc said:

Vaud said:

Max has a point.

Before you dig yourself into a hole, I would like to point out that I have close family with Downs.

Max has a point about the steward decision.

I was not referring to downs. And how do you know that I don’t as well?

I don’t. That’s not the point. You appeared to be implying that it was ok to use a medical disability as a term of abuse. That would be rather surprising if you did have a brother (for example) with downs.

Anyway, this is irrelevant to the race. Feel free to chalk it up to a chip on my shoulder or whatever.

IMHO he deserved the penalty.

[ukaskew]

I agree with the decision (and can’t see how anyone wouldn’t, after the two angles shown on Sky), but, how is actually any different to, say...

- Danny Ric straightlining one of the esses (all 4 wheels off) to get closer to Bottas.

- Several examples of drivers losing position on the inside, but hanging it out wide (all 4 wheels off) to keep momentum going and have track position on the switchback.

Sure, they aren’t clear cut overtakes off track as Max was, but fundamentally they’re still gaining an advantage and at the very least helping them to have the opportunity to gain a position.

[Driller]

The Vambo said:

Driller said:

What did Webber reply when the presenter said he was going to thrown a bucket of water over him?

"Yeah whatever."

That was more weird than the swearing bit

Sounded more like "so I try, whatever" to me which doesn't make sense.

[Vaud]

The Vambo said:

troc said:

Vaud said:

Max has a point.

Before you dig yourself into a hole, I would like to point out that I have close family with Downs.

Well I have an idiot in mine, is this a competition?

Keep me out of this, I wasn’t referring to the alleged Downs comment by Max. I was referring to his comments on inconsistency.

[Sylvaforever]

johnxjsc1985 said:

The Vambo said:

Mika Salo, that Fin. Ruling in flavor of the other Fin.

wasn't he an ex Ferrari driver too

Yep took over for the cobbler for 6 races.

Kershring!

[VolvoT5]

The Vambo said:

Mika Salo, that Fin. Ruling in flavor of the other Fin.

Well know that Salo is no fan of Raikkonen.

A controversial decision that could have been avoided if only the stewards had shown consistency over track limits earlier in the weekend. The replays clearly show Kimi had positioned his car well and Max was all 4 off track to overtake... that is against the rules but then again the stewards had been letting everyone get away with that kind of thing all weekend, so why suddenly enforce a penalty at the last moment in the most dramatic and controversial way?

I think it was the correct call but at the same time in the bigger picture it is just another example of F1 shooting itself in the foot. They need to make these drivers treat track limits like it is a brick wall... cross all 4 over and it is a penalty. Surely there is the technology to consistently enforce that with sensors on the cars or something?

Oh and fwiw I am a big fan of both drivers but I know Kimi is disliked by many for being a waste of a Ferrari seat - I think that influences opinion too much. Imagine the uproar if Vettel had passed Hamilton like that on the last lap.

Also IMO it is about time the stewards set out some rules for wheel to wheel combat because it seems to me some drivers like Ricciardo and Magnussen are just forcing guys off track all the time.

Edited by VolvoT5 on Sunday 22 October 22:34

[johnxjsc1985]

hunton69 said:

Right decision.
So how far off the track can a driver go to overtake before he gets a penalty.
Next time it may be 2 4 6 or more feet

So for Max going off the track is a penalty but not for any other driver? because there were many drivers going past the white lines

[Vaud]

troc said:

I don’t. That’s not the point. You appeared to be implying that it was ok to use a medical disability as a term of abuse. That would be rather surprising if you did have a brother (for example) with downs.

Anyway, this is irrelevant to the race. Feel free to chalk it up to a chip on my shoulder or whatever.

IMHO he deserved the penalty.

No. I was reacting to the English commentary on C4, apologies if that wasn’t clear. If I had been referring to the downs comment then I would have quoted the previous poster.

[scrw.]

Wonder what the result would have been if all drivers got the penalty? I have no issue with Max getting it, they just need to be consistant. Doing the same cut on a 90s era track would have resulted in an off. Remembering Hill's off in 96 when the inside of the curb was a girder post with tyres over it (monza or imola?)

[ClockworkCupcake]

johnxjsc1985 said:

So for Max going off the track is a penalty but not for any other driver? because there were many drivers going past the white lines

I think there is a difference between a crafty "straightening of the line" to gain some time, and passing outside the limits of the track.

I think, on reflection, they had to do what they did.

[Yipper]

johnxjsc1985 said:

hunton69 said:

Right decision.
So how far off the track can a driver go to overtake before he gets a penalty.
Next time it may be 2 4 6 or more feet

So for Max going off the track is a penalty but not for any other driver? because there were many drivers going past the white lines

In isolation, the decision was right (over the line).

In totality, the decision was wrong (others went unpunished).

[johnwilliams77]

johnxjsc1985 said:

So for Max going off the track is a penalty but not for any other driver? because there were many drivers going past the white lines

But not gaining an advantage

[johnxjsc1985]

johnwilliams77 said:

But not gaining an advantage

so out of all the drivers using the track beyond its limits Max was the only one to gain an advantage.

[C70R]

ukaskew said:

I agree with the decision (and can’t see how anyone wouldn’t, after the two angles shown on Sky), but, how is actually any different to, say...

- Danny Ric straightlining one of the esses (all 4 wheels off) to get closer to Bottas.

- Several examples of drivers losing position on the inside, but hanging it out wide (all 4 wheels off) to keep momentum going and have track position on the switchback.

Sure, they aren’t clear cut overtakes off track as Max was, but fundamentally they’re still gaining an advantage and at the very least helping them to have the opportunity to gain a position.

And that was the line that the stewards (quite clearly) chose to draw this weekend.
Can we just move on, and congratulate Mercedes on a 4th WCC and Max on an excellent drive.

[ClockworkCupcake]

Yipper said:

In isolation, the decision was right (over the line).

In totality, the decision was wrong (others went unpunished).

True

[johnwilliams77]

HTP99 said:

He’s an odd troll

[HustleRussell]

Vaud said:

troc said:

I don’t. That’s not the point. You appeared to be implying that it was ok to use a medical disability as a term of abuse. That would be rather surprising if you did have a brother (for example) with downs.

Anyway, this is irrelevant to the race. Feel free to chalk it up to a chip on my shoulder or whatever.

IMHO he deserved the penalty.

No. I was reacting to the English commentary on C4, apologies if that wasn’t clear. If I had been referring to the downs comment then I would have quoted the previous poster.

Vaud FWIW that was clear to me.

[Vaud]

ClockworkCupcake said:

Yipper said:

In isolation, the decision was right (over the line).

In totality, the decision was wrong (others went unpunished).

True

Agree.