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VolvoT5 said:
Well know that Salo is no fan of Raikkonen.
A controversial decision that could have been avoided if only the stewards had shown consistency over track limits earlier in the weekend. The replays clearly show Kimi had positioned his car well and Max was all 4 off track to overtake... that is against the rules but then again the stewards had been letting everyone get away with that kind of thing all weekend, so why suddenly enforce a penalty at the last moment in the most dramatic and controversial way?
I think it was the correct call but at the same time in the bigger picture it is just another example of F1 shooting itself in the foot. They need to make these drivers treat track limits like it is a brick wall... cross all 4 over and it is a penalty. Surely there is the technology to consistently enforce that with sensors on the cars or something?
You may be getting your Mika's mixed up there.A controversial decision that could have been avoided if only the stewards had shown consistency over track limits earlier in the weekend. The replays clearly show Kimi had positioned his car well and Max was all 4 off track to overtake... that is against the rules but then again the stewards had been letting everyone get away with that kind of thing all weekend, so why suddenly enforce a penalty at the last moment in the most dramatic and controversial way?
I think it was the correct call but at the same time in the bigger picture it is just another example of F1 shooting itself in the foot. They need to make these drivers treat track limits like it is a brick wall... cross all 4 over and it is a penalty. Surely there is the technology to consistently enforce that with sensors on the cars or something?
The problem with rules is that rules need to be applied consistently.
Its been a common thread all weekend that four wheels off would be viewed on a case by case basis.
That immediately introduces a degree of interpretation.
Interpretation introduces difference of opinion which introduces controversy which results in headlines and internet traffic etc etc.
Welcome to the new world, let's get ready tooooooo grumble!!!!!!!!
Its been a common thread all weekend that four wheels off would be viewed on a case by case basis.
That immediately introduces a degree of interpretation.
Interpretation introduces difference of opinion which introduces controversy which results in headlines and internet traffic etc etc.
Welcome to the new world, let's get ready tooooooo grumble!!!!!!!!
the British versionMartG said:
Had to laugh at Perez's usual 'I'm faster than Ocon, make him let me past' whinge - gets passed by Sainz and then watches Sainz and Ocon drive off into the distance 
I liked that too. Also liked it when they told him that,unlike Ocon, he wasn't managing his car, which was why he was able to catch him in the first place. 
I'm glad Sainz has moved to a (hopefully) improving team, too. Verstappen deserves the headlines, but he put in some great work today.
How come cars from Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull can start from the back end of the grid and catch the other Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull cars up within 40/50/60% of the race even though they have to pass a lot more traffic?
The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
_Leg_ said:
How come cars from Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull can start from the back end of the grid and catch the other Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull cars up within 40/50/60% of the race even though they have to pass a lot more traffic?
The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
The word "management" was used about 300 times in commentary today. Does that give you any clue?The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
Cold said:
If Max hadn't been penalised immediately, I wonder if Ferrari would have protested at the move? They would have had a perfectly valid complaint about this specific incident, so would it have been beneficial for the sport for it to have been decided once everyone has gone home?
I seem to recall Liberty went on record as saying that they very much wanted to get away from the farce of race results being changed after the race has finished. Rather damned if you do and damned if you don't. As was said earlier, I think it was the right decision in isolation but arguably not the right decision in the wider picture.
Anyway, it's done now.
_Leg_ said:
How come cars from Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull can start from the back end of the grid and catch the other Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull cars up within 40/50/60% of the race even though they have to pass a lot more traffic?
The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
Usually free tyre choice and an aggressive strategy that you probably wouldn’t risk/consider from near the front. Specifically this week you have a track with very little natural field spread (because of the plentiful overtaking opportunities), and RB forced their strategy on others by turning a one stop Race into a two stopper for some.The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
A driver from the top 3 teams starting further back will still generally hit a wall when they catch up with the top 5 though. It’s not that difficult for them to reach that point, a big chunk of the midfield is usually fighting amongst themselves which slows them all down, . Didn’t Bottas have over a minute in hand when he had his free pit stop with a few laps to go?
Edited by ukaskew on Sunday 22 October 22:55
_Leg_ said:
How come cars from Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull can start from the back end of the grid and catch the other Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull cars up within 40/50/60% of the race even though they have to pass a lot more traffic?
The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
You generally need quite an advantage to just cruise by another car. The lower teams don't have it (and thus never get out of the mid-pack squabble) but the better teams do... until they catch the other good teams where they too get bunched up.The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
Cold said:
If Max hadn't been penalised immediately, I wonder if Ferrari would have protested at the move? They would have had a perfectly valid complaint about this specific incident, so would it have been beneficial for the sport for it to have been decided once everyone has gone home?
Ferrari could have protested and then Red Bull could have defended themselves by showing examples of track limits being exceeded all day, thus nullifying Ferrari's complaint. I saw at least two instances of drivers maintaining position in this race by exceeding track limits. No penalties there. Some consistency would be good.Some of you guys want to be careful you don't get what you are wishing for.
Are you trying to say that every time a driver goes in too hot into a corner and runs out wide over the exit kerb they should get a penalty? That would be consistency, wouldn't it?
Only they would be racking up 5 second penalties like £200 for passing Go in Monopoly and nobody would know what was going on.
There have been instances this season when the stewards considered that straying wide on the outside of certain corners did give an advantage and warned the drivers about it. The rest of the time no advantage was deemed to be gained, and this was common sense.
At the end of today's race Verstappen passed off track on the inside of a corner, passing a driver who was confining himself correctly to the track limits. He asked for exactly what he got.
Are you trying to say that every time a driver goes in too hot into a corner and runs out wide over the exit kerb they should get a penalty? That would be consistency, wouldn't it?
Only they would be racking up 5 second penalties like £200 for passing Go in Monopoly and nobody would know what was going on.
There have been instances this season when the stewards considered that straying wide on the outside of certain corners did give an advantage and warned the drivers about it. The rest of the time no advantage was deemed to be gained, and this was common sense.
At the end of today's race Verstappen passed off track on the inside of a corner, passing a driver who was confining himself correctly to the track limits. He asked for exactly what he got.
C70R said:
_Leg_ said:
How come cars from Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull can start from the back end of the grid and catch the other Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull cars up within 40/50/60% of the race even though they have to pass a lot more traffic?
The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
The word "management" was used about 300 times in commentary today. Does that give you any clue?The only explanation must be that the cars at the front are holding back surely?
Or am I missing something?
That makes no sense.
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