The Official 2017 US Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[ukaskew]

Hungrymc said:

I understand Horner being upset, but he’s talking nonsense to say the fans won’t understand it. patronising pillock. I’m pretty sure most understand it.

He specifically mentioned Bottas vs Ricciardo. If there is a wall or gravel, Bottas tucks in behind and it’s a clean overtake, no questions asked. But, as it is, he keeps his foot in and keeps his momentum off circuit because he can, he re-enters the track limits (with the inside line) at full racing speed because he can, ultimately he gains the position back that he would’ve unquestionably lost if there is any sort of penalty for leaving the track.

Yes, it’s s different situation to Max, but the outcome is essentially the same: using an area beyond track limits to gain or not lose a position.

Edited by ukaskew on Sunday 22 October 23:36

[jm doc]

ClockworkCupcake said:

jm doc said:

Vettel overtook Hamilton on the first bend clearly outside track limits.
And clearly gained an advantage.

The stewards are always much more lenient on the first few corners at the start of a race.

And where does it say that in the rulebook??

[768]

Ugh.

I turned it off after the end of the race. Didn't realise Max had had his wings clipped afterwards. Shame.

[ClockworkCupcake]

jm doc said:

And where does it say that in the rulebook??

What's that got to do with the price of cheese in Denmark?

The stewards have discretion and it has been established that they will take a more lenient view on first and second corner incidents.

[jm doc]

BlackZeD said:

Not one person has mentioned Vettel leaving the track after the first corner after he was in front of Hamilton.
Where was his penalty ??
Thats the first corner of the first lap ffs.

see above

[SmoothCriminal]

jm doc said:

ClockworkCupcake said:

jm doc said:

Vettel overtook Hamilton on the first bend clearly outside track limits.
And clearly gained an advantage.

The stewards are always much more lenient on the first few corners at the start of a race.

And where does it say that in the rulebook??

Charlie has clarified it many times wasn't it last year at either aus or spain where Lewis straight lined the first corner and no action then someone did it mid race and got penalised.

Charlie said first lap is different to race.

[ukaskew]

Hungrymc said:

Has Bottas gained an advantage here? Or minimized his disadvantage after being run out to the outside curb (perfectly fair for DR to do that by the way)?

Stick a wall there and Bottas concedes that position 100 times out of 100. Sure it makes Ricciardo's move a little harsher, but Bottas has ample opportunity to tuck in behind if he absolutely has to due to impending concrete impact otherwise. At Castle Combe you don’t see too many drivers deciding to keep their foot in and take to the grass rather than concede and tuck in up the arse of the car that made the move (although saying that I remember being stood there when this happened: https://youtu.be/oG5QSFhJ7XQ, 2 minutes in).

I’m not sure how that’s not gaining an advantage by leaving track limits.

Edited by ukaskew on Sunday 22 October 23:58

[l354uge]

Is it a Finnish thing to become mediocre the moment you get a new contract?

Bottas has been nowhere since the summer. He better watch out for Ocon, who looks more like the real deal every race..

[The Moose]

How about if a car is fully off the track, a speed limiter kicks in slowing them down? Bit like the pit speed limiter but maybe a %age reduction in speed as opposed to a fixed number?

[jm doc]

SmoothCriminal said:

jm doc said:

ClockworkCupcake said:

jm doc said:

Vettel overtook Hamilton on the first bend clearly outside track limits.
And clearly gained an advantage.

The stewards are always much more lenient on the first few corners at the start of a race.

And where does it say that in the rulebook??

Charlie has clarified it many times wasn't it last year at either aus or spain where Lewis straight lined the first corner and no action then someone did it mid race and got penalised.

Charlie said first lap is different to race.

They're just making it up as they go along. I understand that sometimes things happen in the first corner that require a degree of leniency, particularly contact, but there was nothing about Vettel's overtake that was due to "first corner problems".

It was a straightforward outside the track limits overtake.

As I said, they make it up to suit their agenda.

[Hungrymc]

ukaskew said:

Stick a wall there and Bottas concedes that position 100 times out of 100. Sure it makes Ricciardo's move a little harsher, but Bottas has ample opportunity to tuck in behind if he absolutely has to due to impending concrete impact otherwise. At Castle Combe you don’t see too many drivers deciding to keep their foot in and take to the grass rather than concede and tuck in up the arse of the car that made the move

I’m not sure how that’s not gaining an advantage by leaving track limits.

If there was a wall there it would all be different. They both would have been in it as DR went in very hot and off line and went off track on exit as well. So I think the sensible decision was no harm done / nothing to investigate.

[iandc]

jm doc said:

They're just making it up as they go along. I understand that sometimes things happen in the first corner that require a degree of leniency, particularly contact, but there was nothing about Vettel's overtake that was due to "first corner problems".

It was a straightforward outside the track limits overtake.

As I said, they make it up to suit their agenda.


No, they make it up to suit Ferrari!

[Hungrymc]

And this is the next DR attempt on Lap 4. Again off circuit but Bottas held the position so again nothing controversial.

[FurballS2000]

All this talk about max and track limits is interesting but did anyone else see the weird eagle shadow that flew across turn 1 on lap 48?

Some superimposed 'murica-ness or do they have giant birds in Texas??

[rubystone]

troc said:

Before you dig yourself into a hole, I would like to point out that I have close family with Downs.

So does Damon Hill. That ain’t going to go down well if he gets to hear about it.

[rubystone]

The Vambo said:

Mika Salo, that Fin. Ruling in flavor of the other Fin.

They actually have an issue with another steward...

[anonymous-user]

I found the start introductions great fun, perfect for the American audience.

Very solid weekend for Brendon Hartley, he didn't put a foot wrong in any session. Considering he had less than a day in a sim and then jumped into the car with no prior running at all with these cars and tyres, his pace was spot on. He kept out of trouble and picked a few off at the end with the life still left in the tyres.

Next time out, given the chance of course, he will have a lot more knowledge about what the tyres can handle. Hopefully that was enough to give him another opportunity. Super guy in the press interviews too, which is just how he is in person.

[Hungrymc]

FurballS2000 said:

All this talk about max and track limits is interesting but did anyone else see the weird eagle shadow that flew across turn 1 on lap 48?

Some superimposed 'murica-ness or do they have giant birds in Texas??

I thought I saw that, and then decided I must have imagined it....

[Second Best]

Hungrymc said:

I thought I saw that, and then decided I must have imagined it....

Me too. I dismissed it as a poor glance at a helicopter shadow.

I've just been lurking on another F1 forum that's 95% american. They think the introduction shower of ste was the greatest thing ever. I don't mind it for the US GP but fking hell I hope it doesn't reappear next weekend in Mexico.

[paua]

jsf said:

I found the start introductions great fun, perfect for the American audience.

Very solid weekend for Brendon Hartley, he didn't put a foot wrong in any session. Considering he had less than a day in a sim and then jumped into the car with no prior running at all with these cars and tyres, his pace was spot on. He kept out of trouble and picked a few off at the end with the life still left in the tyres.

Next time out, given the chance of course, he will have a lot more knowledge about what the tyres can handle. Hopefully that was enough to give him another opportunity. Super guy in the press interviews too, which is just how he is in person.

One of only 8 drivers to get under 1.40 in the race. Faster than his team mate but also quicker than Sainz, Massa and Alonso. A pretty good day, really.