The Official 2017 US Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[moanthebairns]

Maybe the FIA do this so we have something to talk about in what was a frankly pish race..

compare it to the weekends offerings from the moto gp a full race with over taking like this for every lap of the race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJg578JhyRQ

I still have no idea why F1 still gets the coverage it does on the radio, tv and papers compared to nil or very little from the moto gp.

[rdjohn]

thegreenhell said:

Quite a lot of centimetres.

Hmmm, having now seen that picture, I have changed my mind. The live TV looked like an audacious move - that looks more like cheating.

Kimi is defending the corner perfectly, there is no possibility going round the outside, but it now looks like Max has just staightlined the apex.

[HustleRussell]

moanthebairns said:

Maybe the FIA do this so we have something to talk about in what was a frankly pish race..

compare it to the weekends offerings from the moto gp a full race with over taking like this for every lap of the race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJg578JhyRQ

I still have no idea why F1 still gets the coverage it does on the radio, tv and papers compared to nil or very little from the moto gp.

I still have no idea why you crop up in the F1 section at every opportunity to tell us how much better bike races are.

[stiII_I_undomyseatbelts]

HustleRussell said:

In my experience, going off track is most often a method of mitigating the loss of time as opposed to a method of gaining time. Driver brakes too late or is otherwise too fast on entry, still has to pick up the throttle on apex or else will lose sheds of time, essentially choosing to run wide and maintain speed rather than applying the throttle later or more gradually. The loss of time is guaranteed before the apex and mitigated by using the kerb heavily.

I remember the days, the pre mickey mouse track days, when going off the track equalled automatic disadvantage and that meant drivers did everything to avoid going off the track. Now they do everything to utilise every bit they can and they do it because that gives them edge i.e. gives them advantage. And those who govern the sport who are supposed to stop drivers from abusing the run off areas (which were mostly paved to aid safety) tell the drivers it is ok to go off the track but it's not ok. Hypocrisy at its best.

[moanthebairns]

HustleRussell said:

moanthebairns said:

Maybe the FIA do this so we have something to talk about in what was a frankly pish race..

compare it to the weekends offerings from the moto gp a full race with over taking like this for every lap of the race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJg578JhyRQ

I still have no idea why F1 still gets the coverage it does on the radio, tv and papers compared to nil or very little from the moto gp.

I still have no idea why you crop up in the F1 section at every opportunity to tell us how much better bike races are.

to get on your tits xxx

[StevieBee]

zebra said:

_Leg_ said:

PompeyM3 said:

Are they going to do this at Silverstone next year ?

Thet could get the bloke that used to do Bullseye to read out the names !!!!

This! Brilliant.

Iiiiiiiiiiiin 44, Lewis Hamilton

Iiiiiiiiin 5, Sebastian Vettel

and when they win

"Now, it'll take the time of the commercial break for me to count your winnings."

.....as long as three hefty blokes pull each driver out from behind curtains on a platform, with the Bullseye music in the background. If you do it, you have to go big or go home.

Given Jim Bowen is no longer with us, it could be done in the style of a northern Bingo Caller.

"A bit of heavy metal...Sebastian Vettel"...etc.

[thegreenhell]

StevieBee said:

Given Jim Bowen is no longer with us, it could be done in the style of a northern Bingo Caller.

"A bit of heavy metal...Sebastian Vettel"...etc.

Droopy drawers, it's 44... Lewis Hamilton
Garden gate, number 8... Romain Grosjean
Legs eleven... Sergio Perez
Two little crutches, 77... Valtteri Bottas

etc...

[motco]

swisstoni said:

moanthebairns said:

motco said:

The eagle...

I saw this last night and it puzzled me for a few laps. I'm sure I saw it a few times. I concluded or guessed it must have been the "zip line wire camera".

Did turn one have one of these like at other GP's with just a eagle outline on top of the camera to create this. If others are saying its super imposed well I never.

edit: now I see that image its far too big for that. It must be imposed

Edited by moanthebairns on Monday 23 October 10:53

What about the shadow of the giant peering past the skyscraper?

[HustleRussell]

moanthebairns said:

to get on your tits xxx

I reckon you're wasting your time, I find MotoGP pretty boring because it has a similar amount of action to F1 but I'm not engaged with it in the same way because I fundamentally prefer car racing. BSB is where it's at for bike racing anyway.

Perhaps you fundamentally prefer bike racing. That's fine. People are different from you.

[StevieBee]

rdjohn said:

thegreenhell said:

Quite a lot of centimetres.

Hmmm, having now seen that picture, I have changed my mind. The live TV looked like an audacious move - that looks more like cheating.

Kimi is defending the corner perfectly, there is no possibility going round the outside, but it now looks like Max has just staightlined the apex.

As the picture shows; it's a slam-dunk contravention and worthy of reprimand.

This issue is that others did the same at various points but suffered no penalty.

[InductionRoar]

We are so lucky to have posters on PH, whose individual contributions hold far more weight than the entire C4 commentary team and even the great Niki Lauda, whose combined experience in the sport clearly counts for nothing against such armchair luminaries.

[The Surveyor]

rdjohn said:

Hmmm, having now seen that picture, I have changed my mind. The live TV looked like an audacious move - that looks more like cheating.

Kimi is defending the corner perfectly, there is no possibility going round the outside, but it now looks like Max has just staightlined the apex.

On the run up to the corner Max was taking the wide line to try and get around the outside of Kimi, who defended by running slightly wide which left the door open for Max to go up the inside, which naturally closed up as soon as Kimi started turning into the corner.

It was Max's one and only chance, so you can't blame him for trying, just like you can't blame the Steward for enforcing the rules.

You're never going to get consistency with penalties as every situation is different, but there should be nowhere on any racing track where a driver can obtain an actual advantage by exceeding the track limits. Sausage kerbs, gravel, real & artificial grass etc are all used with good effect on other circuits where there isn't a large concrete wall!

[The Moose]

We didn’t get a great view of the pass live on the big screen at the time. I have since watched the videos on YT to see what went on.

As I see it, he would have been absolutely fine except he made an additional ‘jink’ to the right causing him to completely cut the corner. I suspect it was to attempt to settle the car more over the kerbs.

I don’t think cutting the corner can be seen the same as running wide on exit - I think it is totally correct for them to be treated separately.

I still think if there was an electronic limiter that effectively felt like the cars were driving through treacle when all 4 wheels not within the white lines would solve pretty much all the issues.

I also agree with the wider tarmac run offs from a safety point of view - these days people dying on the circuit would be totally unacceptable. By their nature, racing drivers will push whatever limits they are given.

On a different note, the event was fantastic all round. Really great to be there - we happen to be in front of almost all the action in the T12 bleachers. The intro that people are criticizing was actually very good and introduces the drivers and the main players to the people watching - great for the more casual viewer. Stevie Wonder was pretty good too - although annoyed me with his political statement. It was a bit self indulgent...but if anyone can be self indulgent- he can!

[amgmcqueen]

The argument isn't whether Max exceeded track limits....he did.

The reason people are so angry is because throughout the entire weekend, every driver on the track exceeded track limits at some point and nothing was said or done. Charlie Whiting even said he will not enforce track limits.

Then all of a sudden that nasty young racer overtakes a red car. The driver steward also happens to be an ex-Ferrari driver and all of a sudden they seem to give a toss about track limits? Why now and not for the other 55laps?!

Salo was fking useless all weekend!

[InductionRoar]

amgmcqueen said:

Salo was fking useless throughout his career!

EFA

[The Surveyor]

The Moose said:

.......

I still think if there was an electronic limiter that effectively felt like the cars were driving through treacle when all 4 wheels not within the white lines would solve pretty much all the issues.

............

Pretty much agree with everything you put except the above, more technology interfering with the cars is the last thing F1 needs IMHO.

[oyster]

Sylvaforever said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

The Vambo said:

Mika Salo, that Fin. Ruling in flavor of the other Fin.

wasn't he an ex Ferrari driver too

Yep took over for the cobbler for 6 races.

Kershring!

The little conspiracy clique all quoting each other - how nice.

Get a room

[JNW1]

StevieBee said:

rdjohn said:

thegreenhell said:

Quite a lot of centimetres.

Hmmm, having now seen that picture, I have changed my mind. The live TV looked like an audacious move - that looks more like cheating.

Kimi is defending the corner perfectly, there is no possibility going round the outside, but it now looks like Max has just staightlined the apex.

As the picture shows; it's a slam-dunk contravention and worthy of reprimand.

This issue is that others did the same at various points but suffered no penalty.

I agree there were numerous examples of drivers going beyond the limit of the track and not getting punished; however, surely the difference in Verstappen's case is that he gained a place - and hence an advantage - as a result of what he did whereas the others didn't?

Happy to stand corrected if someone else made an overtaking move stick as a result of going off the track and didn't get punished but if that happened yesterday I missed it!

[Digga]

StevieBee said:

rdjohn said:

thegreenhell said:

Quite a lot of centimetres.

Hmmm, having now seen that picture, I have changed my mind. The live TV looked like an audacious move - that looks more like cheating.

Kimi is defending the corner perfectly, there is no possibility going round the outside, but it now looks like Max has just staightlined the apex.

As the picture shows; it's a slam-dunk contravention and worthy of reprimand.

This issue is that others did the same at various points but suffered no penalty.

I'm not totally convinced. Yes he's off the track, but I do feel that if you watch the in-car POV of MV, he does seem to tighten his turn more in case Kimmi did not allow space on the apex or exit. Call it a mistake or an over-compensation, but it does look that he was mindful of avoiding collision. It was certainly a pass that carried speed differential - watching in real time you see the split-second nature of the pass.

There is a risk that, in pressing this ruling, the FIA inadvertently cause more incidences of contact by overtaking cars - inside or outside.

[moanthebairns]

HustleRussell said:

moanthebairns said:

to get on your tits xxx

I reckon you're wasting your time, I find MotoGP pretty boring because it has a similar amount of action to F1 but I'm not engaged with it in the same way because I fundamentally prefer car racing. BSB is where it's at for bike racing anyway.

Perhaps you fundamentally prefer bike racing. That's fine. People are different from you.

I of course don't do it to get on your tits. And tbh I can't argue with what you have just said. I can't remember making the comparison before, certainly not recently however I watched the moto gp in the morning then I sat down to watch to watch the F1.

All in all there was about an hour where nothing happened. An eagle flew over the track, I wondered why did they make that tower so big....then the last 10 laps were decent. Now I turned it off as soon as it finished so was a bit surprised when I heard about this illegal overtake. We've had 20 pages on it. On one move, that is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of the F1 championship. That was against the rules.

Take that one move away and what do you have. That one questionable decision that again doesn't effect nothing in the grand scheme of it. How often did we see the crowd, how often was it celbs not watching the race.