New engine regs for 2021
Discussion
cuprabob said:
Unless I misunderstood what Christian Horner said during the CH4 coverage today, it looks as though there will be no significant change to the engines in 2021.
One of the major reasons for the 2021 change was to bring in new manufacturers. No new ones are interested and the team that was really pushing for it (Red Bull) is sorted now so there's no need to change them now.Kraken said:
cuprabob said:
Unless I misunderstood what Christian Horner said during the CH4 coverage today, it looks as though there will be no significant change to the engines in 2021.
One of the major reasons for the 2021 change was to bring in new manufacturers. No new ones are interested and the team that was really pushing for it (Red Bull) is sorted now so there's no need to change them now.thegreenhell said:
It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. No new manufacturer is going to commit the vast resources required to something that has yet to be properly defined, and yet they say that the reason for not defining things properly yet is because no new manufacturers have committed...
They have been present at all the meetings so they know full well the direction the regs were going in. It's not a case that they have to be totally committed at this stage but it sounds like none of them will commit in principle which is the issue.Great decision to delay the changes to engine regulations IMO. I have been growing increasingly nervous about the prospect of change when after five seasons we have four manufacturers who are converging in terms of performance.
I would like to see them take steps to reduce engine management over the growing calendar by increasing the engine component allocations back up to 4. It bothers me that Valterri Bottas doomed himself to engine penalties in the qualifying session for the first race of the season and has only just taken the pain for that at Spa.
If the 3 PU limit is demonstrably helping the smaller teams I'd be open to keeping it but I suspect we'd see more track action if the standard allocation was 4.
I would like to see them take steps to reduce engine management over the growing calendar by increasing the engine component allocations back up to 4. It bothers me that Valterri Bottas doomed himself to engine penalties in the qualifying session for the first race of the season and has only just taken the pain for that at Spa.
If the 3 PU limit is demonstrably helping the smaller teams I'd be open to keeping it but I suspect we'd see more track action if the standard allocation was 4.
jsf said:
The engine limit isnt saving a penny. The only way to save money is limit budgets and cost to the privateer teams.
The manufactures just spend the budget they have and the work done always expands into the time that budget allows.
They should have 1 engine per event as a minimum.
But aren't manufacturers obliged to supply a certain number of teams a seasons' engine supply for a limited price? The manufactures just spend the budget they have and the work done always expands into the time that budget allows.
They should have 1 engine per event as a minimum.
The only difference then would be that if that supply is marginal and more components are required, the customer has to buy additional parts over and above.
Mark Carter on the Missed Apex podcast once said that Lotus were heavily limiting their testing laps in season because they didn't want to pay iirc £700k + for an additional PU.
HustleRussell said:
But aren't manufacturers obliged to supply a certain number of teams a seasons' engine supply for a limited price?
The only difference then would be that if that supply is marginal and more components are required, the customer has to buy additional parts over and above.
Mark Carter on the Missed Apex podcast once said that Lotus were heavily limiting their testing laps in season because they didn't want to pay iirc £700k + for an additional PU.
The cost is in the R&D, they are spending enormous money on developing these engines. All you see at the circuit is the final spec for that development cycle.The only difference then would be that if that supply is marginal and more components are required, the customer has to buy additional parts over and above.
Mark Carter on the Missed Apex podcast once said that Lotus were heavily limiting their testing laps in season because they didn't want to pay iirc £700k + for an additional PU.
As i said, limit the cost the teams can be charged and make that for one engine per event, then we will see some racing rather than the current eek out the engine life cruising around.
When someone like Hamilton gives up to save his engine life rather than spanking the life out of it, you have a serious problem.
jsf said:
The cost is in the R&D, they are spending enormous money on developing these engines. All you see at the circuit is the final spec for that development cycle.
As i said, limit the cost the teams can be charged and make that for one engine per event, then we will see some racing rather than the current eek out the engine life cruising around.
When someone like Hamilton gives up to save his engine life rather than spanking the life out of it, you have a serious problem.
Of course, I understand that and I don't disagree- however the manufacturers will spend obscene amounts as long as they are able and the cost of the R & D is borne by them. The customers are protected from this cost as the price of the supply contract is limited. As i said, limit the cost the teams can be charged and make that for one engine per event, then we will see some racing rather than the current eek out the engine life cruising around.
When someone like Hamilton gives up to save his engine life rather than spanking the life out of it, you have a serious problem.
Where I do disagree is one engine per weekend, but it should be more than 0.14.
jsf said:
The cost is in the R&D, they are spending enormous money on developing these engines. All you see at the circuit is the final spec for that development cycle.
As i said, limit the cost the teams can be charged and make that for one engine per event, then we will see some racing rather than the current eek out the engine life cruising around.
When someone like Hamilton gives up to save his engine life rather than spanking the life out of it, you have a serious problem.
What's the actual build cost of a current PU, if you delete the R+D from the price?As i said, limit the cost the teams can be charged and make that for one engine per event, then we will see some racing rather than the current eek out the engine life cruising around.
When someone like Hamilton gives up to save his engine life rather than spanking the life out of it, you have a serious problem.
It can't be cheap.
Things went tits up when, as usual , the sport was bullied by manufacturers and told to stop calling engines ..err..'engines' - so last century. Instead we are supposed to call these grotesquely expensive , not stupendously powerful and awful sounding things 'power units'.
Talk about emperor's new clothes
Talk about emperor's new clothes
Evolved said:
Small turbo V6’s. Just leave this here.
https://youtu.be/uupZsfs_8s0
Lovely -and if you liked that check out on YT 'Formula 1 Test Days 1986 Brands Hatch Mansell etc'https://youtu.be/uupZsfs_8s0
Amateur film but superbly shot, better than most pro stuff and THAT noise . I was there - and it sounded even better!
HustleRussell said:
Of course, I understand that and I don't disagree- however the manufacturers will spend obscene amounts as long as they are able and the cost of the R & D is borne by them. The customers are protected from this cost as the price of the supply contract is limited.
Where I do disagree is one engine per weekend, but it should be more than 0.14.
I read somewhere that in the early 2000s, Toyota used 400 engines in a season. This clearly is unsustainable, and the sport cannot return to that level of spending and waste.Where I do disagree is one engine per weekend, but it should be more than 0.14.
10 of each PU component for a 20-23 race season seems reasonable, however I can't see them increasing numbers to higher than the current level.
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