F1 back on free to air tv till 2020

[MissChief]

CraigyMc said:

MissChief said:

I'm sure Liberty will be pushing Sky towards the end of next season for a FTA highlights deal, probably with Channel 4 again. Liberty know it makes sense.

Using what as leverage?

Sky own the rights, not Liberty.

It'd be a bit like selling your house to someone then asking if the new owner would let a friend stay a few nights a week.

Perhaps a cheaper deal?

[HighwayStar]

MissChief said:

CraigyMc said:

MissChief said:

I'm sure Liberty will be pushing Sky towards the end of next season for a FTA highlights deal, probably with Channel 4 again. Liberty know it makes sense.

Using what as leverage?

Sky own the rights, not Liberty.

It'd be a bit like selling your house to someone then asking if the new owner would let a friend stay a few nights a week.

Perhaps a cheaper deal?

As he said, where’s the leverage? Sky don’t have to divi up anything. If they want to Sky can offer highlights on one of their own free to air channels on Freeview.

[Vaud]

To be fair we have no idea what deal and clauses were agreed.

[HighwayStar]

Vaud said:

To be fair we have no idea what deal and clauses were agreed.

No we don’t know the finer points of the deal and clauses but there is plenty from Liberty Media’s explaining what they can do post 2018... basically honour the contract.
https://f1broadcasting.co/2017/06/22/bratches-libe...

[rev-erend]

When and if F1 goes to Sky as an extra paid for service, well that the end of F1 for me.

[Teppic]

HighwayStar said:

No... Sky have exclusive rights from 2019-2024. There is no Free To Air deal. Depending which article on the subject you read, Sky only have to show one race FTA, the British Grand Prix. That could go out on Pick which is a FTA Sky channel. Others say it’s all behind a pay wall. That’s it, they don’t have to provide a nightlights package for the plebs....
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/21/f1-u...

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/269082/1/could-f1-man...

They are providing a highlights package:

F1 Broadcasting Blog said:

Sky Sports to broadcast F1 exclusively from 2019
March 23, 2016 David Nelson64 Comments

Sky are to broadcast F1 exclusively from 2019 in the United Kingdom, it has been confirmed. In a huge bombshell announcement on Wednesday evening, the broadcaster announced that they will show every race live from 2019 to 2024 after agreeing a new deal with Formula One Management. The announcement means that Channel 4 will only be showing their element of live Formula 1 from 2016 to 2018.

The British Grand Prix remains live and free-to-air, as will highlights of every race and qualifying session. Furthermore, at least two ‘prime time’ races will be shown live on Sky Sports Mix. Sky have also announced that from 2017, every race will be shown live in Ultra HD via SkyQ. Interestingly, there is no explicit reference of ‘Sky Sports F1’ as a channel beyond 2018.

Bernie Ecclestone said “I am delighted that we will continue to work together. Sky’s commitment to the Sport and standard of coverage is second to none.”

However, it still doesn't explain what is meant by "free to air", as it makes no mention of terrestrial channels. So,as you say there is always the possibility that the highlights will be shown on Pick TV or Sky Sports Mix. The package might be sold to terrestrial channels, where Channel 4 or Five are probably the most likely candidates to pick it up if it becomes available to them, but it's by no means certain that they will.

[IforB]

I've just binned my SKY subscription after 20 something years and I simply won't be watching F1 next year unless it is on Ch4. I've noticed my interest has reduced in recent years, but when SKY finally annoyed me enough by not showing the Ashes recently, then that was the end of it for me.

If I have to pay extra to watch F1, then I simply won't be doing that. I could sort of justify it in my head with SKY as it was part of the overall package, but I refuse to continue to pay £80+ a month for no good reason.

I've been watching F1 for as long as I can remember and have only missed watching live races for exceptional circumstances over the years, so I'm sad that I won't be able to, but not sad enough to fork out that amount of money any more.

It's just not worth it.

I wonder how many others have done the same recently?

[CrouchingWayne]

IforB said:

I've just binned my SKY subscription after 20 something years and I simply won't be watching F1 next year unless it is on Ch4. I've noticed my interest has reduced in recent years, but when SKY finally annoyed me enough by not showing the Ashes recently, then that was the end of it for me.

If I have to pay extra to watch F1, then I simply won't be doing that. I could sort of justify it in my head with SKY as it was part of the overall package, but I refuse to continue to pay £80+ a month for no good reason.

I've been watching F1 for as long as I can remember and have only missed watching live races for exceptional circumstances over the years, so I'm sad that I won't be able to, but not sad enough to fork out that amount of money any more.

It's just not worth it.

I wonder how many others have done the same recently?

Sort of similar here - I have kept Sky TV (box sets and variety pack I think) as it is in a competitive bundle with phone/broadband but have ditched sports/movies for the past two years or so as the price just wasn't worth it for the amount I was watching.

It's a shame as I would like to consume some football/F1, but at £27/month I wouldn't be getting value for money only catching maybe a game/race or two a month.

I, like most on here I'm sure, could afford the package if I wanted it but it's the value for money that is missing for a more casual sport fan. This could be Sky's big problem I think as more people scrutinise what use they are getting from their service.

At least with F1 it's all on one channel, I recall football was split over BT, Sky and non-televised games which was frustrating.

[IforB]

Gaz. said:

Do you not get SSF1 on the legacy package?

Yes, however, I simply had enough of paying SKY anything at all. Other than SKY sports, we've managed to replicate the entire package we had, including adding Netflix, for less than £30 a month whilst avoiding any long term contracts with SKY.

An extra £720 a year in my pocket and all I have to give up is F1? No brainer for me!

As mentioned, this is not about being able to afford it, but that we don't get value for money.
When it was simply a choice between free to air TV and a single subscription to SKY to watch any and all sports such as Cricket, Rugby, F1, MotoGP, WSB etc.etc it was OK, but with BT Sport coming along and suddenly to watch the same things required an additional subscription, then I started to question it and the eventual conclusion was that all of it was a waste of money.

£30-50 a month is small enough to not notice. Psychologically, £80+ a month seems not to be!

[Jon39]

IforB said:

Yes, however, I simply had enough of paying SKY anything at all.

An extra £720 a year in my pocket and all I have to give up is F1? No brainer for me!

As mentioned, this is not about being able to afford it, but that we don't get value for money.

I have an impression that Liberty are not very happy about this, anticipating a TV audience reduction, but of course the F1 / Sky contract was sealed before Liberty bought the business.

Do others share the opinion, that even if the pay to view cost is an insignificant amount for some, there is the principle that a licence fee or advertising might be preferred by many TV viewers as a financing method.

With the widespread use now of tablets etc., most of us are probably watching less and less television anyway.

[CraigyMc]

Jon39 said:

With the widespread use now of tablets etc., most of us are probably watching less and less television anyway.

The actual transmission mechanism has little to do with it. Sky Go exists. NowTV exists.

[IforB]

Jon39 said:

IforB said:

Yes, however, I simply had enough of paying SKY anything at all.

An extra £720 a year in my pocket and all I have to give up is F1? No brainer for me!

As mentioned, this is not about being able to afford it, but that we don't get value for money.

I have an impression that Liberty are not very happy about this, anticipating a TV audience reduction, but of course the F1 / Sky contract was sealed before Liberty bought the business.

Do others share the opinion, that even if the pay to view cost is an insignificant amount for some, there is the principle that a licence fee or advertising might be preferred by many TV viewers as a financing method.

With the widespread use now of tablets etc., most of us are probably watching less and less television anyway.

I’d agree with that completely. We watch massively less “live” tv than we used to. It’s all on demand and we are a lot more selective than we used to be.

I don’t mind paying for access to good television content. I just won’t pay for access to sky at their rates for access to a massive range of nonsense that I never watch when I can get what I do want to see in places like Amazon Prime and Netflix or a 7.99 a month on NOW tv (I know that’s SKY!)

[markcoznottz]

MissChief said:

CraigyMc said:

MissChief said:

I'm sure Liberty will be pushing Sky towards the end of next season for a FTA highlights deal, probably with Channel 4 again. Liberty know it makes sense.

Using what as leverage?

Sky own the rights, not Liberty.

It'd be a bit like selling your house to someone then asking if the new owner would let a friend stay a few nights a week.

Perhaps a cheaper deal?

Anybody else starting to think the poison dwarf sabotaged the sport? Sky are going to get annoyed with people saying they should give away free coverage that they paid for, it's not thier fault tbh.

[Mr Tidy]

HighwayStar said:

CoolHands said:

Forgive my ignorance will F1 still be in ch4 next year?

Yes... from 2019, no.

Oh well I've got 2 more years before I give up altogether!

Given recent posts and my feelings I'd expect audience numbers to drop significantly in the next couple of years - not good news for Liberty.

Edited by Mr Tidy on Tuesday 16th January 02:21

[HighwayStar]

Mr Tidy said:

HighwayStar said:

CoolHands said:

Forgive my ignorance will F1 still be in ch4 next year?

Yes... from 2019, no.

Oh well I've got 2 more years before I give up altogether!

Given recent posts and my feelings I'd expect audience numbers to drop significantly in the next couple of years - not good news for Liberty.

Edited by Mr Tidy on Tuesday 16th January 02:21

You’ve forgotten it’s already 2018 Mr Man

[tankplanker]

IforB said:

Yes, however, I simply had enough of paying SKY anything at all. Other than SKY sports, we've managed to replicate the entire package we had, including adding Netflix, for less than £30 a month whilst avoiding any long term contracts with SKY.

An extra £720 a year in my pocket and all I have to give up is F1? No brainer for me!

As mentioned, this is not about being able to afford it, but that we don't get value for money.
When it was simply a choice between free to air TV and a single subscription to SKY to watch any and all sports such as Cricket, Rugby, F1, MotoGP, WSB etc.etc it was OK, but with BT Sport coming along and suddenly to watch the same things required an additional subscription, then I started to question it and the eventual conclusion was that all of it was a waste of money.

£30-50 a month is small enough to not notice. Psychologically, £80+ a month seems not to be!

Is your internet good enough for streaming off NowTV? If you go with the monthly pass its £33.99 a month for Sky Sports and nowt else. You can usually reduce it a bit with a voucher or offer at the beginning. Or if you only want the race a single day pass at £6.99 will set you back no more than £28 a month assuming we ever had 4 races in a month.

It is still far more than I'd like to pay, BT Sport would cost me £5 a month via plusnet.

[Vaud]

It's a shame that SKY don't offer a simple F1 only streaming package. Say £20 a month. I don't watch football or other sports. I would pay for a streaming package at the drop of a hat for ~£10 a race. Maybe £10 per race and £15 for the full weekend.

Or even an upfront payment of £300 that buys a bunch of credits, then lets me watch what I want through the year. 1 pt for FP1, 3 for quali, 10 for the race, etc.

[tankplanker]

Vaud said:

It's a shame that SKY don't offer a simple F1 only streaming package. Say £20 a month. I don't watch football or other sports. I would pay for a streaming package at the drop of a hat for ~£10 a race. Maybe £10 per race and £15 for the full weekend.

Or even an upfront payment of £300 that buys a bunch of credits, then lets me watch what I want through the year. 1 pt for FP1, 3 for quali, 10 for the race, etc.

NowTV is already cheaper than that for just race day...

[Vaud]

tankplanker said:

owTV is already cheaper than that for just race day...

I mean a full streaming service - pause, rewatch, download (for 28 days, etc). I have young kids...

NowTV is live only?

[tankplanker]

Vaud said:

I mean a full streaming service - pause, rewatch, download (for 28 days, etc). I have young kids...

NowTV is live only?

Yup live only, and intentionally made that way by Sky as well as pretty much everything other than sports on NowTV supports catch up.

You'll be stuck until Sky decides to change that, I can't see the contract between Sky (Uk) and FOM allow FOM to offer their own streaming in the Uk once FOM are ready to offer it.