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anonymous-user

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F1GTRUeno said:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2025722957658349/

If anyone has FaceSpace and is interested in watching the old races, between myself and another member of this group we've done 1989-2000. I believe the other member is gonna do onwards until 2015 at least so there's loads and loads of races to see.

Personally my first year of properly watching it was 1994. Vaguely remember watching bits of 1993 and maybe very slightly bits of 1992 but I was born in 1990 so maybe I'm just collating memories of watching those races since.

1994 was an insane year on a whole bunch of levels but I can remember crying when Ayrton died despite barely knowing who he was. BBC had a tribute show for him the night after the race at Imola once he'd been pronounced dead. My mum had taped it I think so I watched it at a later time. First viewing of it I burst into tears and my mum turned it off. I tried watching it again and cried again because it's just so sad. Pretty sure they either re-aired it just before Monaco on race day or at some point during that weekend. I vividly remember instantly becoming a Damon fan and was sad when he went out on the first lap at Monaco. Can remember being elated when Schumacher got stuck in 5th gear in Spain and Damon won and watched every race after that until waking up very early to watch Adelaide in 1994 and being absolutely distraught when Michael crashed into him. That year took its toll on F1 in so many ways but I love the cars, liveries, sponsors and sounds so much that I'm torn between the fatalities and sheer despair of that year and of it being my first season and thus the one I love the most.

Other memories include Damon crashing into Michael twice in 1995.

Throwing away races at Silverstone and Monza in 1996. Murray having a lump in his throat getting emotional when he won the title finally.

Being miserable in 1997 for the first race when he could barely qualify the Arrows and then broke down before the start. Being ecstatic when he nearly won at Hungary.

Watching Belgium 1998 repeatedly for the sheer magic and mayhem of the entire race.

Hating McLaren with a passion for 1998/99 which somehow led me to be a Schumi fan despite being a Damon fan beforehand and Michael being the enemy.

Rooting for Heinz-Harald in 1999 too because he was the underdog and we love a good underdog.

Canada 2011 is probably the only time in modern F1 that I really remember being enthralled and excited. I cheered like a football goal had gone in when Jenson passed Seb on the last lap. What a fking race that was.

Went to the Donington collection as a nine year old and loved it. Went back a few months ago and it's nowhere near as impressive as a) I've grown up and b) they sold off a load of the cars a few years back but still, F1 cars are wonderful things to behold.
Nice one.

Some great past events.

Will check out the Facebook page as well smile

anonymous-user

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55 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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F1GTRUeno said:
Christ both of you must be ancient.
YIKES.

Time flies biggrin

Eric Mc

122,072 posts

266 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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There was GP racing before 1975 you know smile

I remember watching the 1974 Monaco GP live on TV. I was fascinated by the tall airboxes that the cars featured at the time.

You tube is good for pre Bernie era GPs. Some of the 1960s TV broadcasts are quite interesting to watch. I've looked at the 1963 Monaco GP recently and even though it was broadcast in black and white, it is amazing how sophisticated the coverage actually was - with shoulder mounted TV cameras and live images from helicopters.

Leithen

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268 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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I was at the 1975 British GP.... hehe

Eric Mc

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Monday 2nd April 2018
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Leithen said:
I was at the 1975 British GP.... hehe
Lucky you smile


Eric Mc

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Here's the BBC's coverage of the 1965 Monaco GP. Quite a fascinating piece of TV and just listen to the accents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKb9FixAFjw

anonymous-user

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Monday 2nd April 2018
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Eric Mc said:
There was GP racing before 1975 you know smile

I remember watching the 1974 Monaco GP live on TV. I was fascinated by the tall airboxes that the cars featured at the time.

You tube is good for pre Bernie era GPs. Some of the 1960s TV broadcasts are quite interesting to watch. I've looked at the 1963 Monaco GP recently and even though it was broadcast in black and white, it is amazing how sophisticated the coverage actually was - with shoulder mounted TV cameras and live images from helicopters.
Surprised how good some of the footage is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQgL45VFl8o

anonymous-user

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55 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Kubica's massive accident Canada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fENaRMlrwRg

Leithen

10,941 posts

268 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Leithen said:
I was at the 1975 British GP.... hehe
Lucky you smile
Makes one feel rather ancient thinking about it.

Happy days though.

Eric Mc

122,072 posts

266 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Surprised how good some of the footage is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQgL45VFl8o
I don't think you should be. By the 1960s film newsreel companies (like Pathé) were using high quality 35 mm film and advanced cameras. They were also shooting in colour because TV in the UK was still black and white so the only chance to see these events in colour was in the cinema. BBC have recently being showing a series called "Britain on Camera" which is based on footage shot in the late 1950s to mid 1960s by Rank Films and their film quality is excellent.

Once British/European colour TV came along in 1967 and people could see these events on TV in colour (and occasionally live), newsreels finally disappeared from cinemas.

I love looking for actual TV coverage from the 1960s and 70s as these are the images people would have seen on their TVs at home. A surprising amount of old Grand Prix TV footage has ended up on You Tube although sometimes it is in a foreign language as the source might be from French or German TV. I even found one Monaco GP (1970 I think) which had a Finnish commentary .

Colour TV became the norm across Europe in the 1967 -1970 period and Monaco TV would have used colour TV cameras as early as they could. However, some of the TV channels that took the Monaco TV/ Eurovision feed from Monaco were still broadcasting in black and white so the copies we see on You Tube may be from a black and white copy of what had originally been a colour transmission.




The Hypno-Toad

12,287 posts

206 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Thank you very much for posting that video, brought back some memories for me as I was there. In fact, what I'm really surprised about is that I'm not actually on it! I was always either down at Surtees or in the infield at the Ilford enclosure at Brands in those days. I would post some pictures but my photobucket account isn't happy at the moment.

Most of my memories have already been posted but my earliest one was probably hearing on the radio about the 1973 British GP 'Scheckter' crash and that it would led to end of the Surtees team and possibly "the end of F1 in its current form," I can remember that distinctly, just goes to show that media over-reaction isn't a new thing.

They carried Tom Pryces death live on ITV, again if my memory serves me correctly. Lauda getting out of his car at the end of the race to check for damage.....

The fan car was live on ITV too if I remember. That season the JPS Lotus were winning everything but that suited me fine.

Giles holding everyone up in Spain.

1982 Monaco. "The race no one wanted to win,"

Elio winning in Austria by a hair.

Nige qualifying nowhere at Silverstone in 1983 and flying through the field to finish 4th. James Hunt saying "No Nigel not there!" as he went round the outside of Arnoux at Abbey.

Every time Ayrton took out the 97T. They would have to stop Estoril, wouldn't they? Him hanging half out the car in joy at the end. I saw him drive that beautiful machine live three times that year including Brands and his pole lap there will always be in my memory. When ever I see that car it brings me back.

Testing at Silverstone 92 and 95. I got media passes for both of those and in 92 Nige gave a press conference where we also had smoked salmon sandwiches. Which was nice.

Imola 94. Unfortunately. Walking through the shopping centre where I worked and seeing the aftermath of the Ratzenberger crash. Looking at gaping hole in the chassis and thinking "fk me, he must be dead",
The next day. I was visiting my brother in Portsmouth to watch the race. All the incidents culminating in the tyre going into crowd during one of the stops. My brother saying "For gods sake, stop this. They have to stop this,"

Herbert at Silverstone 95. Finally winning one. It didn't matter it was inherited, after everything he'd been through he bloody deserved it.

Hill 96. "I'm going stop now because I've got a lump in my throat," still makes me well up. His interview afterwards with Murray when he was asked by the great man "did you ever have any doubts?" and replied with one look and a smile that made you realise what it meant to both of them "No mate, not for second. Did you?" Christ, I'm welling up just typing it.

Most of the more recent ones have already been mentioned but I'll stop there.



Leithen

10,941 posts

268 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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I also remember watching practise/qualifying for the 1984 British GP at Brands Hatch. It was the first time I'd seen and heard the turbo cars in the flesh. You could get close at Brands Hatch in those days, especially going through the trees to Stirlings.

Brutal things - magnificent.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Eric Mc said:
I don't think you should be. By the 1960s film newsreel companies (like Pathé) were using high quality 35 mm film and advanced cameras. They were also shooting in colour because TV in the UK was still black and white so the only chance to see these events in colour was in the cinema. BBC have recently being showing a series called "Britain on Camera" which is based on footage shot in the late 1950s to mid 1960s by Rank Films and their film quality is excellent.

Once British/European colour TV came along in 1967 and people could see these events on TV in colour (and occasionally live), newsreels finally disappeared from cinemas.

I love looking for actual TV coverage from the 1960s and 70s as these are the images people would have seen on their TVs at home. A surprising amount of old Grand Prix TV footage has ended up on You Tube although sometimes it is in a foreign language as the source might be from French or German TV. I even found one Monaco GP (1970 I think) which had a Finnish commentary .

Colour TV became the norm across Europe in the 1967 -1970 period and Monaco TV would have used colour TV cameras as early as they could. However, some of the TV channels that took the Monaco TV/ Eurovision feed from Monaco were still broadcasting in black and white so the copies we see on You Tube may be from a black and white copy of what had originally been a colour transmission.
I have to say I thought most of the early footage was going to be poor or as you say in a foreign language. Heard of Pathé before but their footage of F1, and by the looks many other subjects, is of very high quality. Will be looking up their clips later after work.

Great information. They do say you learn something new everyday biggrin

anonymous-user

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55 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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[quote=The Hypno-Toad]

Thank you very much for posting that video, brought back some memories for me as I was there. In fact, what I'm really surprised about is that I'm not actually on it! I was always either down at Surtees or in the infield at the Ilford enclosure at Brands in those days. I would post some pictures but my photobucket account isn't happy at the moment.

Most of my memories have already been posted but my earliest one was probably hearing on the radio about the 1973 British GP 'Scheckter' crash and that it would led to end of the Surtees team and possibly "the end of F1 in its current form," I can remember that distinctly, just goes to show that media over-reaction isn't a new thing.

They carried Tom Pryces death live on ITV, again if my memory serves me correctly. Lauda getting out of his car at the end of the race to check for damage.....

The fan car was live on ITV too if I remember. That season the JPS Lotus were winning everything but that suited me fine.

Giles holding everyone up in Spain.

1982 Monaco. "The race no one wanted to win,"

Elio winning in Austria by a hair.

Nige qualifying nowhere at Silverstone in 1983 and flying through the field to finish 4th. James Hunt saying "No Nigel not there!" as he went round the outside of Arnoux at Abbey.

Every time Ayrton took out the 97T. They would have to stop Estoril, wouldn't they? Him hanging half out the car in joy at the end. I saw him drive that beautiful machine live three times that year including Brands and his pole lap there will always be in my memory. When ever I see that car it brings me back.

Testing at Silverstone 92 and 95. I got media passes for both of those and in 92 Nige gave a press conference where we also had smoked salmon sandwiches. Which was nice.

Imola 94. Unfortunately. Walking through the shopping centre where I worked and seeing the aftermath of the Ratzenberger crash. Looking at gaping hole in the chassis and thinking "fk me, he must be dead",
The next day. I was visiting my brother in Portsmouth to watch the race. All the incidents culminating in the tyre going into crowd during one of the stops. My brother saying "For gods sake, stop this. They have to stop this,"

Herbert at Silverstone 95. Finally winning one. It didn't matter it was inherited, after everything he'd been through he bloody deserved it.

Hill 96. "I'm going stop now because I've got a lump in my throat," still makes me well up. His interview afterwards with Murray when he was asked by the great man "did you ever have any doubts?" and replied with one look and a smile that made you realise what it meant to both of them "No mate, not for second. Did you?" Christ, I'm welling up just typing it.

Most of the more recent ones have already been mentioned but I'll stop there.


Some great memories there.

Yes I love the Turbo era. Basically everything in Motorsport back then was nuts. 1200-1500 Bhp F1 cars and Rally cars with 550-600 as well. Loved it.

Was just too young to be able to go myself. No one I knew was that into Motorsport so it was only TV if lucky. Thankfully some great footage is around.

Very jealous hearing your memories. Especially seeing Ayrton in the Lotus. I booked my tickets "first time I could with a mate" to the British GP to see Ayrton. Counting the days after booking in March 1994. Yes and we all know what happened in 94.

Was gutted to say the least.

Hearing the V12 Ferrari for the first time live was amazing. What a sound.

Eric Mc

122,072 posts

266 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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From the 1920s onwards, it was normal for cinema audiences to have a programme of features to watch each time they went to the cinema. The standard format of the programme was -

Ten/twenty minute newsreel - featuring events both serious and funny from around the world.

A ten/twenty minute animated feature (this was where classic Warner Brothers and MGM cartoons originated - Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry et al).

A low grade movie - often referred to as the B Feature (or a "B Movie").

And finally the Main Feature film - which was usually a bigger budget movie with the most famous Hollywood stars of the day.

It's from the above that we get expressions such as "B Movie" and "Feature Film".

Newsreels were shot by specialist newsreel companies such as "Pathé News", "Gaumont British News" and "Movietone".

When BBC started broadcasting TV in the 1930s, it didn't have a formal news broadcast. They felt serious news was the preserve of BBC Radio. However, they did have a daily "Newsreel;" programme which they called, not very imaginatively, "BBC Television Newsreel".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKn1beD_Kdk



anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Eric Mc said:
From the 1920s onwards, it was normal for cinema audiences to have a programme of features to watch each time they went to the cinema. The standard format of the programme was -

Ten/twenty minute newsreel - featuring events both serious and funny from around the world.

A ten/twenty minute animated feature (this was where classic Warner Brothers and MGM cartoons originated - Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry et al).

A low grade movie - often referred to as the B Feature (or a "B Movie").

And finally the Main Feature film - which was usually a bigger budget movie with the most famous Hollywood stars of the day.

It's from the above that we get expressions such as "B Movie" and "Feature Film".

Newsreels were shot by specialist newsreel companies such as "Pathé News", "Gaumont British News" and "Movietone".

When BBC started broadcasting TV in the 1930s, it didn't have a formal news broadcast. They felt serious news was the preserve of BBC Radio. However, they did have a daily "Newsreel;" programme which they called, not very imaginatively, "BBC Television Newsreel".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKn1beD_Kdk
Will watch that clip later on when home.

Thank you for taking the time to explain.

Very interesting.

Will be busy looking up YouTube biggrin

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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The single most emotional I have ever during an F1 race was Australia 1994. I was a 12yo child, F1 was my world, Hill was my idol and Schumy was the 'enemy'.

We (my dad, brother and I) went into the weekend thinking that two points were all that was required for us to see the (incredibly likeable) guy we'd supported since his debut become world champion. Quali didn't go to plan, with Hill starting from the second row, and having not made amazing starts all season. However, once the race approached halfway, it was clear that all wasn't well in Schumy's Benetton, and Hill was catching him quickly. 12yo me thought this could be the moment when I saw my idol achieve his dream, and live up to his father's legacy.
As soon as Hill went for the inside and Schumacher swerved towards him, I felt a sickening knot in my stomach. The German was eliminated, but Hill was heading to the pits, nursing the car. The combination of Hill's stoic post-race interview and Schumacher's celebrations will live with me forever.

Japan 1996 was a great day, made more pertinent by Walker's choking commentary, but the race itself was largely a foregone conclusion after a couple of laps.
As said by others, I'm a sucker for a British WDC, and two successive Brazilian GPs (08 and 09) will live long in the memory. 09 for seeing how much that championship meant to Jenson and his Dad, and 08 for the sheer ludicrousness of the last lap. The latter had me jumping up and down on the sofa like some sort of deranged lunatic.

Edited by C70R on Monday 2nd April 20:31

Benzo26

208 posts

148 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
I remember this race being loopy due to the horrendous weather conditions.

Thought the battle between Kubica and Massa was as good as I have seen in a long time.

Amazed this is not shown more as the skill level and desire to win the battle is fantastic.

Perhaps the reason is it was for minor points.

It would be red flagged now which is another huge issue with F1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnxUu36-uYw
I’m just reading through this thread now, but bloody hell, this was epic!!! Proper bulls balls racing in horrendous conditions and both drivers giving it absolutely everything. Massa gunning it in that last corner when off the circuit was brilliant.

carl_w

9,197 posts

259 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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C70R said:
As soon as Hill went for the inside and Schumacher swerved towards him, I felt a sickening knot in my stomach. The German was eliminated, but Hill was heading to the pits, nursing the car. The combination of Hill's stoic post-race interview and Schumacher's celebrations will live with me forever.
Still never really understood why they didn't try fixing it. Even if it had taken 10 minutes there might have been the opportunity to pick up 6th or 5th?

glazbagun

14,283 posts

198 months

Monday 2nd April 2018
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Benzo26 said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I remember this race being loopy due to the horrendous weather conditions.

Thought the battle between Kubica and Massa was as good as I have seen in a long time.

Amazed this is not shown more as the skill level and desire to win the battle is fantastic.

Perhaps the reason is it was for minor points.

It would be red flagged now which is another huge issue with F1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnxUu36-uYw
I’m just reading through this thread now, but bloody hell, this was epic!!! Proper bulls balls racing in horrendous conditions and both drivers giving it absolutely everything. Massa gunning it in that last corner when off the circuit was brilliant.
That is an amzing clip, such a shame we'll likely not see that kind of thing again in F1. I must admit I've always felt Massa a bit of a moany whinger in the wet but may have to reasses my opinion.