F1 Past

[Vaud]

coppice said:

I normally insist that one judges the art , and not the artist. But brilliant though McRae was in a rally car his legacy , for me anyway , is tarnished by the recklessness which killed him and three others , including a five and six year old. The McRae ''If in doubt , flat out' motto sported by many fans' cars rings more than a little hollow with me .

I agree. I mourned the loss of Richard Burns far more that McRae who ultimately proved to be a selfish, arrogant ****.

[Piginapoke]

Vaud said:

coppice said:

I normally insist that one judges the art , and not the artist. But brilliant though McRae was in a rally car his legacy , for me anyway , is tarnished by the recklessness which killed him and three others , including a five and six year old. The McRae ''If in doubt , flat out' motto sported by many fans' cars rings more than a little hollow with me .

I agree. I mourned the loss of Richard Burns far more that McRae who ultimately proved to be a selfish, arrogant ****.

Have to agree with this also.

[sparta6]

Alesi Vs Senna - Phoenix 1990

V8 against V10. Fascinating contest. Liberty and the FIA should pin this battle at the top of their To-Do list.

[Johnny Raydome]

Stumbled across this video earlier in the week whilst looking out clips, following Alonso's announcement:

Kimi v Fernando, Monaco Qualifying 2005.

Something about the footage gives a superior sensation of speed, some of the higher camera positions probably help. But even the onboard shots seem faster the the ones we see today.
Throw in the spine-tingling sound of the screaming V10 engines and it's compelling.

It also made me realise that I'd completely forgotten about single-lap quali (with drivers taking turns for their flying lap). Forgotten for a reason as it was generally pretty tedious, but not in this case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8suj_tXNyE

DISCLAIMER: the footage is a little grainy.

APOLOGY: something else we all hoped we'd forgotten about - the clip contains commentary from an enthusiastic James Allen. Sorry.

[anonymous-user]

Schumacher v. Coulthard, Spa 1998

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN10hXcuCzo

[coppice]

His greatest drive - and one of the feistiest, most on the edge performances I have ever seen .

[anonymous-user]

As it was Spa and again Monza this weekend does anyone remember the Williams in 1997 trying an ultra low rear wing

[entropy]

Berger drifting round Casino Sq, Monaco 1995 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YU8VTbJSk

[anonymous-user]

Senna no Kart 1993 Paris Bercy Master Star Kart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shd7J4lcSKc

[anonymous-user]

Not a race but just some great footage of the Williams.

Karun Chandhok drives the iconic Williams FW14B at Silverstone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM7yLMHlX4o

[coppice]

If you'd like an insight into Formula 1's past ,and so much more besides, you won't do better than to listen to (or, better still, watch on youtube ) the Motor Sport podcast with Jo Ramirez. An immensely likeable man , who has worked for Ferrari, Maserati, McLaren, John Wyer (etc etc ) and with just about everybody in F1 in the last 50 odd years . From the Rodriguez brothers via Dan Gurney Stewart and Cevert and Fittipaldi to Prost and Senna he's known them all. Lovely stories from somebody who really has been at the centre of things .

[Deesee]

entropy said:

Berger drifting round Casino Sq, Monaco 1995 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YU8VTbJSk

Awesome, v12’s and John Watson, used to live the Eurosport coverage way back when.. thx

[cgt2]

Deesee said:

Awesome, v12’s and John Watson, used to live the Eurosport coverage way back when.. thx

Indeed and don't forget Allard Kalff!

[anonymous-user]

coppice said:

If you'd like an insight into Formula 1's past ,and so much more besides, you won't do better than to listen to (or, better still, watch on youtube ) the Motor Sport podcast with Jo Ramirez. An immensely likeable man , who has worked for Ferrari, Maserati, McLaren, John Wyer (etc etc ) and with just about everybody in F1 in the last 50 odd years . From the Rodriguez brothers via Dan Gurney Stewart and Cevert and Fittipaldi to Prost and Senna he's known them all. Lovely stories from somebody who really has been at the centre of things .

Love to listen to Jo Ramirez. The podcast you are talking about is one of my favourites.

As you say amazing stories. The guy has a very calming aura about him.

Would love to sit down with someone like that for a chat.

[anonymous-user]

Slight different but here is Mika Hakkinen driving a 1995 McLaren F1 GTR

The sound and watching Mika using a manual box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwVQfrstsA8

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th September 19:25

[Deesee]

25yr old technology, that could probably still be relevant now.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tu...

[anonymous-user]

Deesee said:

25yr old technology, that could probably still be relevant now.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tu...

Yes amazing technology.

Could you imagine how good it would be if this technology was allowed to be used in the present day?

[Deesee]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Deesee said:

25yr old technology, that could probably still be relevant now.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tu...

Yes amazing technology.

Could you imagine how good it would be if this technology was allowed to be used in the present day?

Incredibly quick in the corners id have thought, perhaps they will need to go back to this type of innovation to keep the formula relevant, although driver skill should be at the forefront of the racing formula, to maintain investment/R&D in ICE race cars perhaps this is a way to get the big car firms back on board.

[Vaud]

Deesee said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Deesee said:

25yr old technology, that could probably still be relevant now.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tu...

Yes amazing technology.

Could you imagine how good it would be if this technology was allowed to be used in the present day?

Incredibly quick in the corners id have thought, perhaps they will need to go back to this type of innovation to keep the formula relevant, although driver skill should be at the forefront of the racing formula, to maintain investment/R&D in ICE race cars perhaps this is a way to get the big car firms back on board.

With the power we have, the aero and this I would worry that cornering speeds would increase too much - meaning more safety and structural changes (and weight)?

[Deesee]

Vaud said:

Deesee said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Deesee said:

25yr old technology, that could probably still be relevant now.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.tech-tu...

Yes amazing technology.

Could you imagine how good it would be if this technology was allowed to be used in the present day?

Incredibly quick in the corners id have thought, perhaps they will need to go back to this type of innovation to keep the formula relevant, although driver skill should be at the forefront of the racing formula, to maintain investment/R&D in ICE race cars perhaps this is a way to get the big car firms back on board.

With the power we have, the aero and this I would worry that cornering speeds would increase too much - meaning more safety and structural changes (and weight)?

Perhaps, the renault v10, was what 750/800 bhp, now I suppose Mercedes and Ferrari are running circa 850/900 bhp (+120/160 equivalent of electrical) and weight wise 700kg (current) to say 500kg (plus lots of fuel ). so were not talking about massive differences.

The old Turbos (80's) would have 1000 bhp on qualifying mode, on 500kg....

Sadly, its when they took away the bells and whistles in 1994 we lost drivers, perhaps the old way is safer too.

I know one thing (and i have not listened yet) I'm looking forward to the Prost podcast.