F1 Past

[TobyTR]

dunc_sx said:

One of Schumi's old cars at Goodwood FOS today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z11ypb5XAB4

Dunc.

Ferrari F2004... Hubba

That to me is the best-looking, best-sounding and fastest F1 car in history. Wow

[Deesee]

The MSC collection at goodwood..

https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/11479131675...

[dr_gn]

Deesee said:

As Silverstone approaches here is a wonderful graphic showing the prior layouts..



I’m sure we have all got some great memories of previous layouts, bridge was a particular favourite of mine.

1991 - Bridge - before the Abbey chicane was put there was awesome. In real life it was everything F1 should be. On TV it was just another corner.

IIRC Pedro Lamy’s Lotus ended up in the pedestrian tunnel one year during testing, with debris strewn around our favourite viewing place. That was that.

[Eric Mc]

Was this at Bridge?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAbqD63SJlY

[paulguitar]

Eric Mc said:

Was this at Bridge?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAbqD63SJlY

Yep, that's at bridge.

[thegreenhell]

dr_gn said:

1991 - Bridge - before the Abbey chicane was put there was awesome. In real life it was everything F1 should be. On TV it was just another corner.

Probably my favourite Silverstone layout, as demonstrated by Tiff - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwX0Ej1vIPA

[sgtBerbatov]

dr_gn said:

Deesee said:

As Silverstone approaches here is a wonderful graphic showing the prior layouts..



I’m sure we have all got some great memories of previous layouts, bridge was a particular favourite of mine.

1991 - Bridge - before the Abbey chicane was put there was awesome. In real life it was everything F1 should be. On TV it was just another corner.

IIRC Pedro Lamy’s Lotus ended up in the pedestrian tunnel one year during testing, with debris strewn around our favourite viewing place. That was that.

Happened in 1994 during private testing, one of a speight of post-Senna crashes to come from the knee jerk changes the FIA implemented. Although, it could be argued, it was more in response to Weldinger's accident rather than Senna's that caused it.

[Deesee]

So wrong, but great tribute from Damon

[thegreenhell]

Deesee said:

So wrong, but great tribute from Damon

I liked the commentary joking that he was scrolling through the menus looking for the TC switch.

[Deesee]

thegreenhell said:

Deesee said:

So wrong, but great tribute from Damon

I liked the commentary joking that he was scrolling through the menus looking for the TC switch.

I chuckled at that, slicks in the wet, Mode 13, Mode 13!

[darren f]

dr_gn said:

1991 - Bridge - before the Abbey chicane was put there was awesome. In real life it was everything F1 should be. On TV it was just another corner.

IIRC Pedro Lamy’s Lotus ended up in the pedestrian tunnel one year during testing, with debris strewn around our favourite viewing place. That was that.

Bridge was a 160mph entry corner in the early 90s layout (before the chicane at Abbey)- watching them from the spectator banking as they changed direction as they turned in was breathtaking stuff- then they had to get it stopped for Priory- it was F1 epitomised- mad acceleration, hair raising noise, mental grip from aero and ridiculous braking....I miss those days.

It was good of AdC to deposit his fluids ( ... phnarr) off the racing line in the above YT clip, that could have got very ‘interesting’. It looks like he lost it at Abbey, which was a ‘kink’ back then. Mechanical failure? I know Lamy’s accident was such- a failure of modified aero after Imola ‘94 ISTR. As mentioned the violence / debris aftermath of that accident and poor PL’s injuries pretty much ‘did for’ Bridge as viable F1 corner.

[dr_gn]

darren f said:

dr_gn said:

1991 - Bridge - before the Abbey chicane was put there was awesome. In real life it was everything F1 should be. On TV it was just another corner.

IIRC Pedro Lamy’s Lotus ended up in the pedestrian tunnel one year during testing, with debris strewn around our favourite viewing place. That was that.

Bridge was a 160mph entry corner in the early 90s layout (before the chicane at Abbey)- watching them from the spectator banking as they changed direction as they turned in was breathtaking stuff- then they had to get it stopped for Priory- it was F1 epitomised- mad acceleration, hair raising noise, mental grip from aero and ridiculous braking....I miss those days.

It was good of AdC to deposit his fluids ( ... phnarr) off the racing line in the above YT clip, that could have got very ‘interesting’. It looks like he lost it at Abbey, which was a ‘kink’ back then. Mechanical failure? I know Lamy’s accident was such- a failure of modified aero after Imola ‘94 ISTR. As mentioned the violence / debris aftermath of that accident and poor PL’s injuries pretty much ‘did for’ Bridge as viable F1 corner.

I was watching at Woodcote in '91. After the race, I went to where the Jordan had hit the wall and collected some paint fragments - I build models and thought they might come in as a reference one day! Still got them in a 35mm film container.

I think the Jordan 191 was one of the first F1 cars to have composite front pushrods, the rumor was one of them failed.

i've posted links to these clips a few times, but it sounds like this might bring back some memories (2':30") here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTCmzQ4mh5c

Great memories.

[sgtBerbatov]

dr_gn said:

darren f said:

dr_gn said:

1991 - Bridge - before the Abbey chicane was put there was awesome. In real life it was everything F1 should be. On TV it was just another corner.

IIRC Pedro Lamy’s Lotus ended up in the pedestrian tunnel one year during testing, with debris strewn around our favourite viewing place. That was that.

Bridge was a 160mph entry corner in the early 90s layout (before the chicane at Abbey)- watching them from the spectator banking as they changed direction as they turned in was breathtaking stuff- then they had to get it stopped for Priory- it was F1 epitomised- mad acceleration, hair raising noise, mental grip from aero and ridiculous braking....I miss those days.

It was good of AdC to deposit his fluids ( ... phnarr) off the racing line in the above YT clip, that could have got very ‘interesting’. It looks like he lost it at Abbey, which was a ‘kink’ back then. Mechanical failure? I know Lamy’s accident was such- a failure of modified aero after Imola ‘94 ISTR. As mentioned the violence / debris aftermath of that accident and poor PL’s injuries pretty much ‘did for’ Bridge as viable F1 corner.

I was watching at Woodcote in '91. After the race, I went to where the Jordan had hit the wall and collected some paint fragments - I build models and thought they might come in as a reference one day! Still got them in a 35mm film container.

I think the Jordan 191 was one of the first F1 cars to have composite front pushrods, the rumor was one of them failed.

i've posted links to these clips a few times, but it sounds like this might bring back some memories (2':30") here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTCmzQ4mh5c

Great memories.

Even the poorer F1 cars (like the Footwork Arrows in that clip) sounded amazing. Just screaming in to view.

[dr_gn]

sgtBerbatov said:

dr_gn said:

darren f said:

dr_gn said:

1991 - Bridge - before the Abbey chicane was put there was awesome. In real life it was everything F1 should be. On TV it was just another corner.

IIRC Pedro Lamy’s Lotus ended up in the pedestrian tunnel one year during testing, with debris strewn around our favourite viewing place. That was that.

Bridge was a 160mph entry corner in the early 90s layout (before the chicane at Abbey)- watching them from the spectator banking as they changed direction as they turned in was breathtaking stuff- then they had to get it stopped for Priory- it was F1 epitomised- mad acceleration, hair raising noise, mental grip from aero and ridiculous braking....I miss those days.

It was good of AdC to deposit his fluids ( ... phnarr) off the racing line in the above YT clip, that could have got very ‘interesting’. It looks like he lost it at Abbey, which was a ‘kink’ back then. Mechanical failure? I know Lamy’s accident was such- a failure of modified aero after Imola ‘94 ISTR. As mentioned the violence / debris aftermath of that accident and poor PL’s injuries pretty much ‘did for’ Bridge as viable F1 corner.

I was watching at Woodcote in '91. After the race, I went to where the Jordan had hit the wall and collected some paint fragments - I build models and thought they might come in as a reference one day! Still got them in a 35mm film container.

I think the Jordan 191 was one of the first F1 cars to have composite front pushrods, the rumor was one of them failed.

i've posted links to these clips a few times, but it sounds like this might bring back some memories (2':30") here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTCmzQ4mh5c

Great memories.

Even the poorer F1 cars (like the Footwork Arrows in that clip) sounded amazing. Just screaming in to view.

I thought when I watched it just now the Footwork looked and sounded awesome. I can't remember whether it would be the Porsche V-12 or the V-8 in it at that point.

Folks go on about the racing being no better back then, but when you were there it was irrelevant. The spectacle is what you remember.

ETA - the Footwork had the Porsche V-12 for that test - probably its last outing - it was replaced with the V-8 for the French GP onwards.

Edited by dr_gn on Monday 8th July 14:58

[n3il123]

darren f said:

Bridge was a 160mph entry corner in the early 90s layout (before the chicane at Abbey)- watching them from the spectator banking as they changed direction as they turned in was breathtaking stuff- then they had to get it stopped for Priory- it was F1 epitomised- mad acceleration, hair raising noise, mental grip from aero and ridiculous braking....I miss those days.

It was good of AdC to deposit his fluids ( ... phnarr) off the racing line in the above YT clip, that could have got very ‘interesting’. It looks like he lost it at Abbey, which was a ‘kink’ back then. Mechanical failure? I know Lamy’s accident was such- a failure of modified aero after Imola ‘94 ISTR. As mentioned the violence / debris aftermath of that accident and poor PL’s injuries pretty much ‘did for’ Bridge as viable F1 corner.

Although the accident happened before Bridge, pretty much starting on the excite of Abbey I believe.

[dr_gn]

n3il123 said:

darren f said:

Bridge was a 160mph entry corner in the early 90s layout (before the chicane at Abbey)- watching them from the spectator banking as they changed direction as they turned in was breathtaking stuff- then they had to get it stopped for Priory- it was F1 epitomised- mad acceleration, hair raising noise, mental grip from aero and ridiculous braking....I miss those days.

It was good of AdC to deposit his fluids ( ... phnarr) off the racing line in the above YT clip, that could have got very ‘interesting’. It looks like he lost it at Abbey, which was a ‘kink’ back then. Mechanical failure? I know Lamy’s accident was such- a failure of modified aero after Imola ‘94 ISTR. As mentioned the violence / debris aftermath of that accident and poor PL’s injuries pretty much ‘did for’ Bridge as viable F1 corner.

Although the accident happened before Bridge, pretty much starting on the excite of Abbey I believe.

That's what he wrote...

[Eric Mc]

dr_gn said:

Folks go on about the racing being no better back then, but when you were there it was irrelevant. The spectacle is what you remember.

Amen to that.

[Johnny Raydome]

Slight derail from the on-topic Silverstone discussions.

I posted this photo in the Barge Thread, but here's probably the right place for it.

My aunt recently passed and at the post-ceremony drinks and sandwiches, there was a large board propped up against the wall, plastered with photos of her throughout various stages of her life.

Imagine my surprise/delight at seeing this photo in amongst all the others.



I knew she was a big racing fan throughout her life and I even vaguely remember being told many years ago that she had presented winning drivers with their wreaths in the 60's (but had completely forgotten all about it). I did know that she pretty much lived for the Monaco GP which she attended annually for well over 30 years. I think she would have gone to every single race each season, if she could have.

RIP Ann - a Top Girl and a true fan.

[darren f]

dr_gn said:

i've posted links to these clips a few times, but it sounds like this might bring back some memories (2':30") here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTCmzQ4mh5c

Great memories.

Absolutely, thanks for posting the link. I had to watch a couple of times to see if I was in the spectator footage! Those were the days, a fiver to get in all day and practically no crowds! I went for several years- even managed to blag a couple of corporate days, the first when Martin Brundle and a very young Schumi were at Benetton (1992?), we got decent pit lane access, I must dig out my photos. It was only in the later years that it got crazy busy and Silverstone also (ISTR) started to ramp up the admission charge.
One other thing... that Jordan really was an achingly pretty F1 car, probably my favourite of all time, such a simplicity of design, it puts the current batch of aero appendage adorned ‘horrors ’ to shame.

[coppice]

The current generation of F1 fan would not believe the access which used to be available. On my first trip to Brands Hatch for the 72 GP I wandered happily round the paddock . perving over F1 cars and even eavesdropping Graham Hill and John Surtees as they chatted . Mind you , we weren't sleb obsessed then ,so as long as you behaved , you could go where you liked .And it would have been very bad form to have asked for a selfie, especially as they hadn't been invented then ...