New Qualifying ideas being put forward
Discussion
Seeing a few press articles on potential addition of a short qualifying race and adjusted practice formats....
Beyond the flag: "Friday’s two practice sessions would be shortened to one hour each, and there would no longer be a Saturday practice session. There would still be a regular qualifying session on Saturday, but that session would set the starting grid for the qualifying race, which would also take place on Saturday and would last for roughly one-third of the length of the main event on Sunday. The results of this race would set the starting grid for Sunday’s race. This idea, which is still what it is, is definitely still in the works. It has not been confirmed yet, and there is nothing to suggest that it will be in the near future. We will just have to wait and see what happens."
Planet F1: "According to Auto Motor und Sport, Liberty have proposed a 100km sprint race on Saturday with no fuel or tyre limitations to determine the grid for the main event on Sunday, giving drivers the ability to race full throttle"
Would a normal quali session followed by a sprint race to form the race grid work.. could lead to some exciting full on "racing"?
Beyond the flag: "Friday’s two practice sessions would be shortened to one hour each, and there would no longer be a Saturday practice session. There would still be a regular qualifying session on Saturday, but that session would set the starting grid for the qualifying race, which would also take place on Saturday and would last for roughly one-third of the length of the main event on Sunday. The results of this race would set the starting grid for Sunday’s race. This idea, which is still what it is, is definitely still in the works. It has not been confirmed yet, and there is nothing to suggest that it will be in the near future. We will just have to wait and see what happens."
Planet F1: "According to Auto Motor und Sport, Liberty have proposed a 100km sprint race on Saturday with no fuel or tyre limitations to determine the grid for the main event on Sunday, giving drivers the ability to race full throttle"
Would a normal quali session followed by a sprint race to form the race grid work.. could lead to some exciting full on "racing"?
Qualifying is one of the few things in F1 that actually works and yet they seem intent of fiddling with it.
They tried it a year or two back with that ridiculous sham in Australia where nobody knew what the hell was going on.
F1 should focusing on being able to overtake and maximise performance without costs getting ridiculous. Not easy, but qualifying they should leave alone.
They tried it a year or two back with that ridiculous sham in Australia where nobody knew what the hell was going on.
F1 should focusing on being able to overtake and maximise performance without costs getting ridiculous. Not easy, but qualifying they should leave alone.
Fastest car qualifies first for sprint race.
No fuel or tyre limits fastest car wins sprint race.
Fastest car starts main race first.
Fastest car wins.
The end.
Not that I'm advocating reverse grids, ballast or gimmicks like that as f1 cars can't overtake so what's the point of that.
No fuel or tyre limits fastest car wins sprint race.
Fastest car starts main race first.
Fastest car wins.
The end.
Not that I'm advocating reverse grids, ballast or gimmicks like that as f1 cars can't overtake so what's the point of that.
Edited by SmoothCriminal on Wednesday 4th April 21:48
Angpozzuto said:
What's the point of a qualifying sprint race if there's only a handful of overtakes in a full length race? It'll just be a 45 minute precession
If it was a true sprint race with low fuel, and less tyre management, would that contribute to a more exciting spectacle - at least for the sprint race? But of course lets not forget the engine preservation debacle... that would need to be relaxed -- a lot
If championship points get awarded on Sunday, I can't see how/why anyone would take risks in the Saturday race unless there's some qualifying issues. Even then, under the current regs, poor qualifying for a front runner would tend to lead to overtakes during the race (track dependant).
Saturday racing doesn't seem like it would improve anything.
Saturday racing doesn't seem like it would improve anything.
Angpozzuto said:
What's the point of a qualifying sprint race if there's only a handful of overtakes in a full length race? It'll just be a 45 minute precession
Currently, we get a glimpse of the current car’s performance during Q3 and for the first few laps of the race. Apart from those brief periods the cars are saving engines, fuel and tyres.I would love to see a flat out race that removed these constraints. But I agree that until a simpler engine is introduced and front wing elements reduced, the racing, as a spectacle would be continue to be moribund. I think the new Liberty proposals from Ross Brawn will address all of these issues. Hopefully the races would become less about strategy and more wheel to wheel.
On top of that, I would like to see the WCC points awarded for the Sprint and the WDC for the main race and grid penalties dropped from both championships.
Right, I will just pop back to planet earth.
If they want full throttle racing then they also need to let them use a qualifying engine that is outside of the current 3-per-season regulations. Otherwise, with no points on offer for the sprint race, what's the motivation for them to go for it and race flat out? They'll qualify as usual, then just cruise around in a procession for the sprint race, saving their engines for Sundays points-paying race.
If Liberty are genuinely considering this then it just shows that they have no clue what the problem is with F1, let alone how to fix it.
If Liberty are genuinely considering this then it just shows that they have no clue what the problem is with F1, let alone how to fix it.
Have 2 qualifying races on the Saturday, both 1/3rd length.
On the Thursday before the race, the drivers draw their grid positions for Race 1 out of a hat.
Those grid positions are reversed for Race 2, to even things up.
Set the grid for the main race on combined finishing positions.
That would make the teams drop a lot of aerodynamic pieces, as they'd have to build a car capable of overtaking.
On the Thursday before the race, the drivers draw their grid positions for Race 1 out of a hat.
Those grid positions are reversed for Race 2, to even things up.
Set the grid for the main race on combined finishing positions.
That would make the teams drop a lot of aerodynamic pieces, as they'd have to build a car capable of overtaking.
24lemons said:
If the sprint race allows the drivers to run full chat without restrictions it has a good chance of being more entertaining than the main event. Why not just give the drivers that ability in the Grand Prix itself which is what a lot of fans have been asking for anyway!
When have they ever run full chat all the time? They've always needed to conserve at some level and no team would ever put enough fuel in a car to allow it to go flat out for the whole race given the weight disadvantages.I like the 1 lap per session qualifying idea but would take it further to make the lap times an average to promote consistency.
I would also like to see everyone who finishes recieve points, how can i support Manor and you support Sauber and have some friendly rivalry between us if were both on 0 points?
I would also like to see everyone who finishes recieve points, how can i support Manor and you support Sauber and have some friendly rivalry between us if were both on 0 points?
Kraken said:
24lemons said:
If the sprint race allows the drivers to run full chat without restrictions it has a good chance of being more entertaining than the main event. Why not just give the drivers that ability in the Grand Prix itself which is what a lot of fans have been asking for anyway!
When have they ever run full chat all the time? They've always needed to conserve at some level and no team would ever put enough fuel in a car to allow it to go flat out for the whole race given the weight disadvantages.And as I have said on another thread - and as Kraken correctly points out - there is a sweet spot based on fuel level to finish the race in the best time - above which the ability to push harder does not off set the extra weight.
The only way (as far as I can see) to get round this is to have a prescribed MINIMUM fuel load to start the race, which is more than sufficient. The FIA could fill the cars in park ferme - or do it in the teams garage before they head out - and then seal the tank....
Vocal Minority said:
Kraken said:
24lemons said:
If the sprint race allows the drivers to run full chat without restrictions it has a good chance of being more entertaining than the main event. Why not just give the drivers that ability in the Grand Prix itself which is what a lot of fans have been asking for anyway!
When have they ever run full chat all the time? They've always needed to conserve at some level and no team would ever put enough fuel in a car to allow it to go flat out for the whole race given the weight disadvantages.And as I have said on another thread - and as Kraken correctly points out - there is a sweet spot based on fuel level to finish the race in the best time - above which the ability to push harder does not off set the extra weight.
The only way (as far as I can see) to get round this is to have a prescribed MINIMUM fuel load to start the race, which is more than sufficient. The FIA could fill the cars in park ferme - or do it in the teams garage before they head out - and then seal the tank....
My point was that compared to watching cars cruising to preserve tyres/fuel/engines as they do now, watching a race, albeit a short qualifying race where none of those restrictions apply, could be more entertaining than the Grand Prix itself.
king about with qualifying, nothing wrong with the current format. About the only thing in F1 that currently works!Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff