The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*
Discussion
DanielSan said:
As much as there is all the hype about RB changing engines, I’ll be amazed if they don’t stick with Renault. Come 2021 they’ll be with someone else whoever it is but it’d be a daft move for the sakes of 2 years. Without Red Bull, Renault would be having no success in F1 at the moment, like it or not RB are more useful to Renault than the other way round.
The performance between the Renault and Honda engines seems pretty much identical now, they’re both about as reliable as each other, i think Red Bull would still be third best team whichever of the 2 donkeys end up in the back of the car. The advantage of them doing the swap is more in Honda’s benefit than anything else, they’d have double the R&D data overnight and Red Bull would possibly even assist in the development rather than taking the Mclaren way of telling them what they want and refusing to compromise in any way on their side
Renault get no benefit from Red Bull success now. The engine isn't branded as a Renault and there's no Renault marketing on the back of Red bull success. They're just another team that is beating Renault's own team.The performance between the Renault and Honda engines seems pretty much identical now, they’re both about as reliable as each other, i think Red Bull would still be third best team whichever of the 2 donkeys end up in the back of the car. The advantage of them doing the swap is more in Honda’s benefit than anything else, they’d have double the R&D data overnight and Red Bull would possibly even assist in the development rather than taking the Mclaren way of telling them what they want and refusing to compromise in any way on their side
The only downside for Renault will be their embarrassment when the Red Bull Hondas are beating the Renaults and McLaren-Renaults next year.
suffolk009 said:
Speculation and rumour from Ted that Kimi will be at Ferrari next year, and Bottas will be at Merc. Doesn't leave many appealing options for Danny.
Problem with Ricciardo is, both Ferrari and Mercedes won't/don't need him while they have Vettel and Hamilton, even if both Bottas and Kimi were to leave the teams I don't think you would see him at either team whilst both Hamilton and Vettel are still in situ. HTP99 said:
Problem with Ricciardo is, both Ferrari and Mercedes won't/don't need him while they have Vettel and Hamilton, even if both Bottas and Kimi were to leave the teams I don't think you would see him at either team whilst both Hamilton and Vettel are still in situ.
I think you're right. If Ricciardo does leave RB, and I think he should, it can only be to Renault or McLaren. My money is on McLaren being on the podium before Renault.
HustleRussell said:
slipstream 1985 said:
Honda are rumoured to want a japanese driver in one of their cars
That’ll be Hartley’s seat. Neither of the Japanese drivers who are in the frame are setting the world alight. Red Bull are spoiled for driving talent right now with their current line-up, Sainz on a piece of elastic, Pierre Gasly coming on nicely.
thegreenhell said:
DanielSan said:
As much as there is all the hype about RB changing engines, I’ll be amazed if they don’t stick with Renault. Come 2021 they’ll be with someone else whoever it is but it’d be a daft move for the sakes of 2 years. Without Red Bull, Renault would be having no success in F1 at the moment, like it or not RB are more useful to Renault than the other way round.
The performance between the Renault and Honda engines seems pretty much identical now, they’re both about as reliable as each other, i think Red Bull would still be third best team whichever of the 2 donkeys end up in the back of the car. The advantage of them doing the swap is more in Honda’s benefit than anything else, they’d have double the R&D data overnight and Red Bull would possibly even assist in the development rather than taking the Mclaren way of telling them what they want and refusing to compromise in any way on their side
Renault get no benefit from Red Bull success now. The engine isn't branded as a Renault and there's no Renault marketing on the back of Red bull success. They're just another team that is beating Renault's own team.The performance between the Renault and Honda engines seems pretty much identical now, they’re both about as reliable as each other, i think Red Bull would still be third best team whichever of the 2 donkeys end up in the back of the car. The advantage of them doing the swap is more in Honda’s benefit than anything else, they’d have double the R&D data overnight and Red Bull would possibly even assist in the development rather than taking the Mclaren way of telling them what they want and refusing to compromise in any way on their side
The only downside for Renault will be their embarrassment when the Red Bull Hondas are beating the Renaults and McLaren-Renaults next year.
https://thesportsrush.com/red-bull-to-announce-hon...
MartG said:
I would not be surprised. It will be the engine to have in the next few years to McLaren's disgust.
rdjohn said:
As a bit of 2018 speculation.
Joe Saward reckons that Ocon will be placed with Renault and Sainz, who is hardly threatening the Hulk, will be sent home to TR, when Force India goes under in the next few weeks.
Unfortunately, this is quite believable.
Somebody will pick up the pieces of Force India at a bargain basement price. I think it's about evens it'll be the Stroll family.Joe Saward reckons that Ocon will be placed with Renault and Sainz, who is hardly threatening the Hulk, will be sent home to TR, when Force India goes under in the next few weeks.
Unfortunately, this is quite believable.
suffolk009 said:
I think you're right.
If Ricciardo does leave RB, and I think he should, it can only be to Renault or McLaren. My money is on McLaren being on the podium before Renault.
I’d say Renault. Manufacturer team and their results are improving mercy and Ferrari are not options for him so he either stays at red bull they can give him wins but a championship is doubtful or chooses the onlly other manufacturer racing and spearheads their resurgence. Mclaren are not performing well enough this season and run a customer engine and final what’s happening with Alonso? If Ricciardo does leave RB, and I think he should, it can only be to Renault or McLaren. My money is on McLaren being on the podium before Renault.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
MartG said:
I would not be surprised. It will be the engine to have in the next few years to McLaren's disgust.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Force India will be a huge loss to F1 if they do go.
I very much doubt whoever takes it over will do as good a job.
Real shame for the sport.
The owners have done nothing for them, Mallya can’t even visit races due to his extradition risk. Their budget was so tight over the winter that their dev was massively set back.I very much doubt whoever takes it over will do as good a job.
Real shame for the sport.
New ownership is the only hope to keep the good team resources together?
Vaud said:
The owners have done nothing for them, Mallya can’t even visit races due to his extradition risk. Their budget was so tight over the winter that their dev was massively set back.
New ownership is the only hope to keep the good team resources together?
Yes but considering the job Force India have done over the years they were pretty impressive especially if the budget was so tight over the winter period.New ownership is the only hope to keep the good team resources together?
McLaren should be in their pinching staff.
Vaud said:
The owners have done nothing for them, Mallya can’t even visit races due to his extradition risk. Their budget was so tight over the winter that their dev was massively set back.
New ownership is the only hope to keep the good team resources together?
Bit harsh, Roy and Mallya built a bloody good team out of the shambles they bought, yes Mallya's financial problems are now a hindrance to the team and it's time to go but by budget they've probably been as good as anyone over the last few years.New ownership is the only hope to keep the good team resources together?
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