The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

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thebigmacmoomin

2,800 posts

170 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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ghost83 said:
If Kimi is prepared to drive the sauber I’m shocked McLaren didn’t try to nab him or if they did why he didn’t accept and partner Norris
Sainz is more for the long term future of McLaren where Kimi would be 1 or 2 seasons at most leaving McLaren looking for a new driver quicker than they had hoped.

Jabbah

1,331 posts

155 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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thebigmacmoomin said:
Sainz is more for the long term future of McLaren where Kimi would be 1 or 2 seasons at most leaving McLaren looking for a new driver quicker than they had hoped.
McLaren have always made a big thing of having a WDC in the team and the need of one to attract sponsorship. Maybe this signals a deeper change in their philosophy, but Kimi would have fit in with it even if only for a couple of years. After that, there are so many people out of contract due they would have had a much wider pick.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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McLaren meed to concentrate on building a good car, it would be a waste of money paying for Kimi.

housen

2,366 posts

193 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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jsf said:
McLaren meed to concentrate on building a good car, it would be a waste of money paying for Kimi.
7mm per yr vs 30m on fernando is cheap

HustleRussell

24,726 posts

161 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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I don't know why they felt compelled to boot Vandoorne out, their problem is clearly the car not the drivers. I hope Sainz and Norris aren't so unceremoniously dumped on the heap because they can't make the dog turd look good enough.

cuprabob

14,677 posts

215 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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housen said:
7mm per yr vs 30m on fernando is cheap
Apart from this year, I understand Honda were paying Fred's salary.

Sam993

1,302 posts

73 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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HustleRussell said:
I don't know why they felt compelled to boot Vandoorne out, their problem is clearly the car not the drivers. I hope Sainz and Norris aren't so unceremoniously dumped on the heap because they can't make the dog turd look good enough.
Alonso manages to out-qualify him every time, sometimes by a huge margin. Driving the same car.

Nampahc Niloc

910 posts

79 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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cuprabob said:
housen said:
7mm per yr vs 30m on fernando is cheap
Apart from this year, I understand Honda were paying Fred's salary.
Really? Why?

Dermot O'Logical

2,588 posts

130 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Nampahc Niloc said:
cuprabob said:
housen said:
7mm per yr vs 30m on fernando is cheap
Apart from this year, I understand Honda were paying Fred's salary.
Really? Why?
I'm sure that I read somewhere that the Honda deal was $100m plus driver salaries.

MissChief

7,114 posts

169 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
cuprabob said:
housen said:
7mm per yr vs 30m on fernando is cheap
Apart from this year, I understand Honda were paying Fred's salary.
Really? Why?
I'm sure that I read somewhere that the Honda deal was $100m plus driver salaries.
Not sure about Stoffel's salary but I also was under the belief that Honda were paying Fernando directly.

rdjohn

6,189 posts

196 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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HustleRussell said:
I don't know why they felt compelled to boot Vandoorne out, their problem is clearly the car not the drivers. I hope Sainz and Norris aren't so unceremoniously dumped on the heap because they can't make the dog turd look good enough.
I suspect the simple answer is lots and lots of data suggesting that he is not fast enough.

In the same car, he was clearly nowhere near Fernando. I guess that on the simulator he is slower than the new kids, who will eventually be McLaren’s future - if, they do eventually have a half decent car.

It is a tough world out there with too few seats for drivers without cash. Vandoorne has had his moment. I am not sure that Zak’s time will be very long either.

Dermot O'Logical

2,588 posts

130 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Am I right in thinking that Mr Norris Sr isn't exactly short of a few quid? I believe that young Lando's passage through the junior ranks was somewhat eased by complete car rebuilds between events, private circuit hire for testing, etc...

So is it not beyond the realms of possibility that cash-strapped McLaren might have had their palms crossed with silver at a time when, struggling for sponsorship and having a Renault engine deal to pay for, the appearance of a promising young driver with backing might have swayed their judgement?

Deesee

8,461 posts

84 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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MissChief

7,114 posts

169 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Am I right in thinking that Mr Norris Sr isn't exactly short of a few quid? I believe that young Lando's passage through the junior ranks was somewhat eased by complete car rebuilds between events, private circuit hire for testing, etc...

So is it not beyond the realms of possibility that cash-strapped McLaren might have had their palms crossed with silver at a time when, struggling for sponsorship and having a Renault engine deal to pay for, the appearance of a promising young driver with backing might have swayed their judgement?
He's been a McLaren young driver since his days in British F3 I believe

Norfolkit

2,394 posts

191 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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thebigmacmoomin said:
Sainz is more for the long term future of McLaren where Kimi would be 1 or 2 seasons at most leaving McLaren looking for a new driver quicker than they had hoped.
Another brain dead decision from Mclaren in my book. When they picked Sainz (and I accept negotiations had probably been ongoing for a while), Perez and/or Ocon were available, hardly a shock that Räikkönen became available, George Russell is looking for a seat. Sainz wasn't good enough for Red Bull or Renault but he's the long term future for Mclaren? They're a bloody shambles at the minute and I (sadly) can't see the current management team sorting that out.

DanielSan

18,807 posts

168 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Am I right in thinking that Mr Norris Sr isn't exactly short of a few quid? I believe that young Lando's passage through the junior ranks was somewhat eased by complete car rebuilds between events, private circuit hire for testing, etc...

So is it not beyond the realms of possibility that cash-strapped McLaren might have had their palms crossed with silver at a time when, struggling for sponsorship and having a Renault engine deal to pay for, the appearance of a promising young driver with backing might have swayed their judgement?
Mclaren have given him backing since winning the Mclaren Autosport award, but there is a lot of family cash that’s assisted with extra testing/prep. Sniff Petrol put it bluntly but not inaccurately saying he’s a Lance Stroll with talent hehe

MissChief

7,114 posts

169 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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DanielSan said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Am I right in thinking that Mr Norris Sr isn't exactly short of a few quid? I believe that young Lando's passage through the junior ranks was somewhat eased by complete car rebuilds between events, private circuit hire for testing, etc...

So is it not beyond the realms of possibility that cash-strapped McLaren might have had their palms crossed with silver at a time when, struggling for sponsorship and having a Renault engine deal to pay for, the appearance of a promising young driver with backing might have swayed their judgement?
Mclaren have given him backing since winning the Mclaren Autosport award, but there is a lot of family cash that’s assisted with extra testing/prep. Sniff Petrol put it bluntly but not inaccurately saying he’s a Lance Stroll with talent hehe
Apparently worth over £200m. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/br... so not quite in the Lawrence Stroll tier but certainly could have bankrolled his career. Wikipedia also says he only got signed as a McLaren Young Driver in Feb 2017.

thegreenhell

15,410 posts

220 months

Wednesday 12th September 2018
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Norfolkit said:
Another brain dead decision from Mclaren in my book. When they picked Sainz (and I accept negotiations had probably been ongoing for a while), Perez and/or Ocon were available, hardly a shock that Räikkönen became available, George Russell is looking for a seat. Sainz wasn't good enough for Red Bull or Renault but he's the long term future for Mclaren? They're a bloody shambles at the minute and I (sadly) can't see the current management team sorting that out.
But he's Nando's mate. I don't know why that should matter, but apparently it does.

carinaman

21,329 posts

173 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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Dermot O'Logical said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
cuprabob said:
housen said:
7mm per yr vs 30m on fernando is cheap
Apart from this year, I understand Honda were paying Fred's salary.
Really? Why?
I'm sure that I read somewhere that the Honda deal was $100m plus driver salaries.
I think it says Honda were picking up the wages bill for McLaren's drivers in the Beyond the Grid podcast with Christian Horner about 20 minutes in.

Nampahc Niloc

910 posts

79 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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carinaman said:
Dermot O'Logical said:
Nampahc Niloc said:
cuprabob said:
housen said:
7mm per yr vs 30m on fernando is cheap
Apart from this year, I understand Honda were paying Fred's salary.
Really? Why?
I'm sure that I read somewhere that the Honda deal was $100m plus driver salaries.
I think it says Honda were picking up the wages bill for McLaren's drivers in the Beyond the Grid podcast with Christian Horner about 20 minutes in.
Even after McLaren had a tantrum and tore that contract up into little pieces and pissed all over it? (Be it a very expensive piss mind you).