The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

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anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 13th September 2018
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I must say I find it extremely interesting that Vettel has made mistakes again in 2018 and Ferrari then sign Leclerc and don't hold onto Kimi.

Now Vettel has just stated that his biggest enemy is himself

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/905233/1/vettel-my-b...

Clearly, things are changing and this will put even more pressure on Vettel.

If Vettel can't beat Hamilton to the title this year then his time at Ferrari could be running out.


Kraken

1,710 posts

200 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Vettel has always been error prone. It's just that a lot of the time it's not so obvious as it's early in the season, when he's walking the title or out of contention.

bobbo89

5,216 posts

145 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
If Vettel can't beat Hamilton to the title this year then his time at Ferrari could be running out.
If he fails this year and then next year gets outdone by Leclerc (who could potentially take a WDC in his second year in F1!) I dont see him carrying on in F1.

Hopefully, knowing who his 2019 teammate is will give him the kick up the arse he needs to focus properly, stop believing his own hype and drive like a proper 4 x WDC!

Kraken

1,710 posts

200 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Out of Norris, Russell, Leclerc and Ocon. Ocon is the only one who doesn't have a wealthy background to the best of my knowledge. At the end of the day it's an expensive sport to get into and so 90% of the drivers will have family money behind them these days. No reason to think that they don't have the talent as well as if the majority have money then talent is the way to get noticed.

Vaud

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50,482 posts

155 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Kraken said:
Out of Norris, Russell, Leclerc and Ocon. Ocon is the only one who doesn't have a wealthy background to the best of my knowledge. At the end of the day it's an expensive sport to get into and so 90% of the drivers will have family money behind them these days. No reason to think that they don't have the talent as well as if the majority have money then talent is the way to get noticed.
But the issue with Ocon isn't lack of support, it's that the support is tied to Mercedes?

housen

2,366 posts

192 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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https://www.planetf1.com/news/buemi-seat-fitting-f...

hes currently in redbulls garage/pit wearing redbull cloths as well

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Vaud said:
But the issue with Ocon isn't lack of support, it's that the support is tied to Mercedes?
I would have had Ocon ahead of Sainz at McLaren for a start but the Mercedes ties seem to be a real issue.

Wonder what it is about Mercedes.

The fact it's looking extremely likely that Ocon will be replaced by Stroll is a very sad situation about F1 and the politics.

Money might not make you happy but it will give you an F1 seat. frown

Vaud

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50,482 posts

155 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Wonder what it is about Mercedes.
It's a tricky one - they want him for the long term, had looked to agree to release him to Renault for 2 years (presumably to then replace Hamilton or Bottas) - but then with that falling through the remaining teams down't want or can't commit to a Mercedes backed driver.

Sam993

1,302 posts

72 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Ocon is too good to play the role of Bottas and Hamilton still wants to win championships so they wouldn't want to replace him either. 3 car teams would solve this and other issues easily.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,549 posts

272 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Kimi was recently asked an interesting question in an interview, apparently. The question was something along the lines that he had always said he was in F1 to win, but with his move to Sauber, what was he going to set his goals as?

I wish that, after giving this little snippet, Crofty & Ant would have then told us what his answer was.

Vaud

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50,482 posts

155 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Sam993 said:
Ocon is too good to play the role of Bottas and Hamilton still wants to win championships so they wouldn't want to replace him either. 3 car teams would solve this and other issues easily.
And create a bunch of other issues, probably killing off the back of the grid.

Kraken

1,710 posts

200 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Three car teams would destroy F1 unless they made massive changes basically leading to a two tier championship. Look at the mess WEC has got itself into trying to match up works teams with huge budgets to private teams.

DanielSan

18,792 posts

167 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Vaud said:
It's a tricky one - they want him for the long term, had looked to agree to release him to Renault for 2 years (presumably to then replace Hamilton or Bottas) - but then with that falling through the remaining teams down't want or can't commit to a Mercedes backed driver.
Mercedes don’t want another Hamilton v Rosberg situation to its easier to keep Bottas in the car who whether he believes it or not is a the number 2.

As much as people don’t like Red Bull they’re the only team with a young driver program who put their money where their mouth is and use those drivers.


Vaud

Original Poster:

50,482 posts

155 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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DanielSan said:
Mercedes don’t want another Hamilton v Rosberg situation to its easier to keep Bottas in the car who whether he believes it or not is a the number 2.

As much as people don’t like Red Bull they’re the only team with a young driver program who put their money where their mouth is and use those drivers.
You mean, other than Ferrari who have had an active academy (Bianchi, Perez) and released drivers when they got other opportunities, and have now promoted Leclerc?

thegreenhell

15,337 posts

219 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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F1 needs more independent teams, and less power in the hands of the few manufacturers.

DanielSan

18,792 posts

167 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Vaud said:
You mean, other than Ferrari who have had an active academy (Bianchi, Perez) and released drivers when they got other opportunities, and have now promoted Leclerc?
So they’ve put one driver into their own car out of how many? Compared to Red Bull who run 2 separate F1 teams to make this young driver program work. Just on the grid this year theirs 4 of their Young Drivers, Ferrari haven’t put 4 drivers on the grid with theirs, Mercedes have put one on the grid and don’t have the balls to put him in their own car, so they sign the bh that is Bottas to be number 2 again.

DanielSan

18,792 posts

167 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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And Toto now saying he wouldn’t release Ocon if it meant he could be in the grid next year because he’s going to be a future champion. Have an option on his contract then rather than stopping him driving another car completely!

Gary29

4,155 posts

99 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Kimi was recently asked an interesting question in an interview, apparently. The question was something along the lines that he had always said he was in F1 to win, but with his move to Sauber, what was he going to set his goals as?

I wish that, after giving this little snippet, Crofty & Ant would have then told us what his answer was.
Do the best he can and help develop the team so they can race competitively with the mid grid teams I'd imagine.

What do you think his answer would've been?

Kimi just pays lip service to these journos as I'm sure you know.

Sam993

1,302 posts

72 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Kraken said:
Three car teams would destroy F1 unless they made massive changes basically leading to a two tier championship. Look at the mess WEC has got itself into trying to match up works teams with huge budgets to private teams.
Or look at IndyCar where 3+ cars teams aren't something unusual and where racing is closer and more exciting than all other single seater series combined. Obviously the number of cars would be an issue if all teams were to run 3 cars but since teams like Williams couldn't afford it that would mean maybe 4-5 additional cars on the grid? Not the end of the world.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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The idea of 3 cars teams sounds great but as many have stated it would kill the lower teams off.

But also I very much doubt you would see a team like Mercedes having Hamilton, Bottas and another top driver in the team.

It would be another rear gunner looking after number one.

IMO it would land up with more Strolls on the grid rather than the proper talent being given the chance.

Shame when so much talent is sidelined by money.