The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*
Discussion
HardtopManual said:
HustleRussell said:
HardtopManual said:
Mr Pointy said:
It's unfortunate RB have mandated the use of a driver who has already been dumped twice for not being good enough while better talent won't get a drive.
Couldn't agree more. What a sad state for a sport to find itself in.
ks. Kvyat is not the most exciting choice but he's an F1 calibre driver who will temporarily plug the hole in Red Bull's driver programme. They can dress it up as per and we get some entertainment in 2019 while the idiot Ticktum rightly serves his time. Edited by HustleRussell on Monday 1st October 16:28
HustleRussell said:
I dislike all this negative 'sad state of the sport' type bks. Kvyat is not the most exciting choice but he's an F1 calibre driver who will temporarily plug the hole in Red Bull's driver programme. They can dress it up as per and we get some entertainment in 2019 while the idiot Ticktum rightly serves his time.
Quite. The great thing about the grid at the moment is no "pay drivers" - each driver is F1 calibre, even Stroll. Ok, some have better backing than others.ks. Kvyat is not the most exciting choice but he's an F1 calibre driver who will temporarily plug the hole in Red Bull's driver programme. They can dress it up as per and we get some entertainment in 2019 while the idiot Ticktum rightly serves his time. I am surprised that RB put Kyvat back in, but it does at least show that they are racers and not accountants - it would be easy to take $10M of Russian money to fill the seat, cough, Williams, cough.
Vaud said:
it would be easy to take $10M of Russian money to fill the seat, cough, Williams, cough.
The fact that Williams are forced to make economic decisions like that rather highlights the sad state of affairs of the costs, and revenue imbalance, of F1. There's plenty of money sloshing around in F1, but the revenue structure for teams (especially the special bonus for being Ferrari that Ferrari get) really needs to be addressed if we're not to lose historic independents like Williams.
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari do.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
The fact that Williams are forced to make economic decisions like that rather highlights the sad state of affairs of the costs, and revenue imbalance, of F1.
There's plenty of money sloshing around in F1, but the revenue structure for teams (especially the special bonus for being Ferrari that Ferrari get) really needs to be addressed if we're not to lose historic independents like Williams.
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari do.
Oh I don't disagree.There's plenty of money sloshing around in F1, but the revenue structure for teams (especially the special bonus for being Ferrari that Ferrari get) really needs to be addressed if we're not to lose historic independents like Williams.
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari do.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
The fact that Williams are forced to make economic decisions like that rather highlights the sad state of affairs of the costs, and revenue imbalance, of F1.
There's plenty of money sloshing around in F1, but the revenue structure for teams (especially the special bonus for being Ferrari that Ferrari get) really needs to be addressed if we're not to lose historic independents like Williams.
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari do.
Did Ferrari not enter the first F1 GP or something like that demanding more money to compete? They got that and then entered the Championship?There's plenty of money sloshing around in F1, but the revenue structure for teams (especially the special bonus for being Ferrari that Ferrari get) really needs to be addressed if we're not to lose historic independents like Williams.
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari do.
I am sure I read that somewhere.
Clearly, it's a loyalty scheme as they have basically been in F1 from the start but in this day and age, it's just plain stupid when other teams are struggling so much.
The problem is the FIA and F1 are too scared to lose them.
cuprabob said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari
I thought McLaren did get an additional "bonus" based on their historical achievements, although not as much as Ferrari.Ferrari then gets a share of the 'Constructor's Championship Bonus Fund'. McLaren and Red Bull also get a share of this. This is a special bonus they got for agreeing not to form any breakaway series, which they were threatening to do around the time of the last Concorde Agreement negotiations.
Williams and Mercedes receive something called the Historical Payments bonus, because they've been around quite a long time but not as long as some of the others.
All teams then receive an equal share of the 'column 1' fund for finishing in the top 10 in two of the previous three seasons. This is currently a 9-way split as Haas haven't been in the club long enough yet.
All teams then receive a % of the 'column 2' fund based on performance in the previous season.
In summary:
Ferrari receive the Ferrari Bonus, Constructor bonus, Column 1 and Column 2
Red Bull and McLaren receive the Constructor bonus, Column 1 and Column 2
Mercedes and Williams receive the Historical bonus, Column 1 and Column 2
Force India, Sauber, Renault and Toro Rosso receive Column 1 and Column 2
Haas receive Column 2
The Ferrari bonus alone can be more than the combined column 1+2 payments to any team that finishes outside the top 5 in the WCC.
All info from Joe Saward's blog.
Former Scuderia test driver Raffaele Marciello
He sounds a bit bitter but.................
Charles Leclerc has been backed to beat Sebastian Vettel "right away" when he joins Ferrari next season. That is the view of former Scuderia test driver Raffaele Marciello, who was also scathing of Vettel's talents as a driver, rating him lower than Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso and Robert Kubica.
Leclerc will become the second-youngest driver in history to race for the Scuderia when he lines up on the grid in Australia next season, having impressed in his rookie campaign with Sauber in 2018.
After winning four consecutive world championships with Red Bull, Vettel struggled alongside a new teammate in Daniel Ricciardo during the 2014 season and Marciello – a member of Ferrari's academy between 2014-2016 predicts a similar story this time around.
"I have never rated Vettel at the level of Hamilton, Alonso or even Kubica," Marciello told Formula Passion.
"And I am convinced that when Charles arrives at Ferrari, he will be able to beat him right away. I think that if Ferrari does not win the world title this year, it will be Sebastian's responsibility.
"In the years of the Red Bull titles he had Mark Webber behind him, not a champion. And their car was much better than all the others.
"The comparison with Raikkonen is not very reliable. When I drove during testing in Abu Dhabi in 2014, I was seven-tenths faster than Kimi, but those seven-tenths did not mean I was stronger than him.
"Simply, I had a great desire to get on track and push to the limit, Kimi maybe has lost this type of motivation. A good comparison can be made using Fernando [Alonso], who was always in front of Raikkonen.
"Sure, it is true that Vettel also beats Kimi, but not always and anyway the gap between them is less."
He sounds a bit bitter but.................
Charles Leclerc has been backed to beat Sebastian Vettel "right away" when he joins Ferrari next season. That is the view of former Scuderia test driver Raffaele Marciello, who was also scathing of Vettel's talents as a driver, rating him lower than Lewis Hamilton, Fernando Alonso and Robert Kubica.
Leclerc will become the second-youngest driver in history to race for the Scuderia when he lines up on the grid in Australia next season, having impressed in his rookie campaign with Sauber in 2018.
After winning four consecutive world championships with Red Bull, Vettel struggled alongside a new teammate in Daniel Ricciardo during the 2014 season and Marciello – a member of Ferrari's academy between 2014-2016 predicts a similar story this time around.
"I have never rated Vettel at the level of Hamilton, Alonso or even Kubica," Marciello told Formula Passion.
"And I am convinced that when Charles arrives at Ferrari, he will be able to beat him right away. I think that if Ferrari does not win the world title this year, it will be Sebastian's responsibility.
"In the years of the Red Bull titles he had Mark Webber behind him, not a champion. And their car was much better than all the others.
"The comparison with Raikkonen is not very reliable. When I drove during testing in Abu Dhabi in 2014, I was seven-tenths faster than Kimi, but those seven-tenths did not mean I was stronger than him.
"Simply, I had a great desire to get on track and push to the limit, Kimi maybe has lost this type of motivation. A good comparison can be made using Fernando [Alonso], who was always in front of Raikkonen.
"Sure, it is true that Vettel also beats Kimi, but not always and anyway the gap between them is less."
Clockwork Cupcake said:
The fact that Williams are forced to make economic decisions like that rather highlights the sad state of affairs of the costs, and revenue imbalance, of F1.
There's plenty of money sloshing around in F1, but the revenue structure for teams (especially the special bonus for being Ferrari that Ferrari get) really needs to be addressed if we're not to lose historic independents like Williams.
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari do.
Williams and McLaren do get special payments as well albeit not the same size as Ferrari. Personally I don't have an issue with Ferrari getting more money. Every poll done shows them to be the most supported team so why shouldn't they get a bigger slice of the pie when more people come to see them than any other team? Not to mention that they've stuck with it while others come and go.There's plenty of money sloshing around in F1, but the revenue structure for teams (especially the special bonus for being Ferrari that Ferrari get) really needs to be addressed if we're not to lose historic independents like Williams.
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari do.
Interestingly if you add up all the money and divide it equally it doesn't actually make a massive difference. The top lose a bit, the bottom gain a bit but the majority stay pretty much as they are. The problem with F1, IMO, isn't so much the distribution of the money but the amount that is being spent in the first place. Over a thousand people to build and run two cars is utter madness when you see what is done in other series.
Kraken said:
Williams and McLaren do get special payments as well albeit not the same size as Ferrari. Personally I don't have an issue with Ferrari getting more money. Every poll done shows them to be the most supported team so why shouldn't they get a bigger slice of the pie when more people come to see them than any other team? Not to mention that they've stuck with it while others come and go.
Interestingly if you add up all the money and divide it equally it doesn't actually make a massive difference. The top lose a bit, the bottom gain a bit but the majority stay pretty much as they are. The problem with F1, IMO, isn't so much the distribution of the money but the amount that is being spent in the first place. Over a thousand people to build and run two cars is utter madness when you see what is done in other series.
This is true, though to be fair to your middle points, Williams and McLaren have been loyal to F1 since their inception. It is a function of time that they have not been there as long as Ferrari.Interestingly if you add up all the money and divide it equally it doesn't actually make a massive difference. The top lose a bit, the bottom gain a bit but the majority stay pretty much as they are. The problem with F1, IMO, isn't so much the distribution of the money but the amount that is being spent in the first place. Over a thousand people to build and run two cars is utter madness when you see what is done in other series.
Much as I love them, I think Ferrari should be docked bonus money every time they threaten to walk
It is, after all, a form of loyalty bonus.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Vaud said:
it would be easy to take $10M of Russian money to fill the seat, cough, Williams, cough.
The fact that Williams are forced to make economic decisions like that rather highlights the sad state of affairs of the costs, and revenue imbalance, of F1. There's plenty of money sloshing around in F1, but the revenue structure for teams (especially the special bonus for being Ferrari that Ferrari get) really needs to be addressed if we're not to lose historic independents like Williams.
If nothing else, Williams and McLaren should get the same bonus as Ferrari do.
You could give Williams a billion dollar budget and they'd still f
k up at the moment.2fast748 said:
andburg said:
Russell confirmed at Williams
so the big question is he replacing or partnering Stroll?
He's got to be replacing Stroll all things considered.so the big question is he replacing or partnering Stroll?
I'm surprised about this really as Merc have prioritized Russell higher than Ocon as it has to be a "placement" type deal.
He won GP3
He's going to win F2
It would not surprise me that he has an F1 drive or leave option in his contract should he win F2 which Ocon probably didnt having gone from GP3 to DTM.
2fast748 said:
I'm surprised about this really as Merc have prioritized Russell higher than Ocon as it has to be a "placement" type deal.
I don't get all the hype over Ocon. He's a solid midfielder, but he hasn't really done anything exceptional to mark him out as a future champion. Mercedes insisting on hanging on to him seems to be hurting his career rather than helping it at the moment, unless he has a guaranteed race seat in the Mercedes for 2020, which I highly doubt.thegreenhell said:
I don't get all the hype over Ocon. He's a solid midfielder, but he hasn't really done anything exceptional to mark him out as a future champion. Mercedes insisting on hanging on to him seems to be hurting his career rather than helping it at the moment, unless he has a guaranteed race seat in the Mercedes for 2020, which I highly doubt.
Turning that back around - given the team principals have a lot more data - why do you think Merc want to keep hold of him, given the options and funds that they have?Don't forget that Bottas is on annual contracts.
London424 said:
Replacing surely...Stroll will be at FI no?
Depends on what the deal with Strolls contract is, rumour was he was signed up long term with financial backing so pulling him out wont be cheap.Also, Stroll is in the strange position of being somewhat able to evaluate 2 different 2019 cars and probably pick the one that looks fastest.
Williams are talking positiviely about it, FI have lacked funding for 2018 development and spares so 2019 should be behind schedule.
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