The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*

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r11co

6,244 posts

230 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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HustleRussell said:
I have seen an advert on TV for BWT.
Aren't they just a rival to Brita?

thegreenhell

15,361 posts

219 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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R5L saying that Williams have tested several different drivers in their simulator, and now realise that their decision to use pay drivers was wrong, which is why they're going for talent over money next year.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,584 posts

272 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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thegreenhell said:
R5L saying that Williams have tested several different drivers in their simulator, and now realise that their decision to use pay drivers was wrong, which is why they're going for talent over money next year.
In other news, scientists have conducted an extensive investigation into ursine defaecation, with emphasis on arboreal locations, and have reached a somewhat easily-predicted conclusion. smile

Clockwork Cupcake

74,584 posts

272 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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Just going back to Rich Energy - apparently things with Williams were at the stage where the contract was drawn up, was due to be signed at Austen last week, and there had been assurances that they were not talking to anyone else, Press Releases written, and then suddenly the announcement was made that they had gone with Haas.

It's a pity, as Williams could really have done with a big-money Title Sponsor.


bobbo89

5,220 posts

145 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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r11co said:
HustleRussell said:
I have seen an advert on TV for BWT.
Aren't they just a rival to Brita?
Pretty much, I watch all races that arent on C4 on RTL and they advertise they like hell on there! It might not be relevant in the UK but it's obviously much bigger in mainland Europe.

RichB

51,591 posts

284 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Just going back to Rich Energy - apparently things with Williams were at the stage where the contract was drawn up, was due to be signed at Austen last week, and there had been assurances that they were not talking to anyone else, Press Releases written, and then suddenly the announcement was made that they had gone with Haas.

It's a pity, as Williams could really have done with a big-money Title Sponsor.
I didn't pay much attention to this so what's the story, are they going to be part of Haas or is Rich Energy a single sponsor?

thegreenhell

15,361 posts

219 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
thegreenhell said:
R5L saying that Williams have tested several different drivers in their simulator, and now realise that their decision to use pay drivers was wrong, which is why they're going for talent over money next year.
In other news, scientists have conducted an extensive investigation into ursine defaecation, with emphasis on arboreal locations, and have reached a somewhat easily-predicted conclusion. smile
Well of course we all knew that all along, but Williams themselves now seem to be admitting it.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,584 posts

272 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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RichB said:
I didn't pay much attention to this so what's the story, are they going to be part of Haas or is Rich Energy a single sponsor?
Rich Energy are a Title Sponsor. In other words, their sponsorship is sufficient for their name to be added to to the name of the team, and to dictate the overall colour scheme of the car.

Apparently Haas accepted significantly less money for this than the Williams deal. So it looks like Williams were effectively gazumpted.

Vaud

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50,535 posts

155 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
It's a pity, as Williams could really have done with a big-money Title Sponsor.
Depends how much they get for the Stroll exit clause and receiving Ocon with Merc funding? ...

Clockwork Cupcake

74,584 posts

272 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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thegreenhell said:
Well of course we all knew that all along, but Williams themselves now seem to be admitting it.
In fairness to Williams, the economic reality of their situation probably left them little choice. The trouble is that it is a downward spiral - not enough money forces pay drivers, who don't perform, which makes the team less attractive to sponsors and also doesn't bring in the 'cash for points' the next year, which means they have even less money, so are more dependent on pay drivers, and so the cycle repeats.

It's rather sad to see a once-great team in such a situation. frown

Teppic

7,358 posts

257 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Just going back to Rich Energy - apparently things with Williams were at the stage where the contract was drawn up, was due to be signed at Austen last week, and there had been assurances that they were not talking to anyone else, Press Releases written, and then suddenly the announcement was made that they had gone with Haas.

It's a pity, as Williams could really have done with a big-money Title Sponsor.
I don't know what it is, but something about Rich Energy makes me think that Williams have actually dodged a bullet.

DanielSan

18,799 posts

167 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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Vaud said:
Depends how much they get for the Stroll exit clause and receiving Ocon with Merc funding? ...
Merc won't be funding Ocon's drive, Williams have already said they can only get him in the car if they can find a sponsor to cover the costs.

Vaud

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50,535 posts

155 months

Friday 26th October 2018
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DanielSan said:
Merc won't be funding Ocon's drive, Williams have already said they can only get him in the car if they can find a sponsor to cover the costs.
Discounted engine + some informal advisory?

glazbagun

14,280 posts

197 months

Saturday 27th October 2018
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Vaud said:
DanielSan said:
Merc won't be funding Ocon's drive, Williams have already said they can only get him in the car if they can find a sponsor to cover the costs.
Discounted engine + some informal advisory?
Don't they already have a discount as reward for letting Bottas out of his contract?

What a disaster Williams are this year. To think that in 2014 they were clear third in the WCC with a venerable driver, a shining new star and a brand new title sponsor, how quickly things can change.

One thing that Ocon might think about is that it can hardly do his stock any damage to be smashing his team mate week in week out on the world stage. But then he might be in the position of actually needing a large income to service his debts.

Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 27th October 11:46

MissChief

7,111 posts

168 months

Saturday 27th October 2018
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glazbagun said:
Vaud said:
DanielSan said:
Merc won't be funding Ocon's drive, Williams have already said they can only get him in the car if they can find a sponsor to cover the costs.
Discounted engine + some informal advisory?
Don't they already have a discount as reward for letting Bottas out of his contract?

What a disaster Williams are this year. To think that in 2014 they were clear third in the WCC with a venerable driver, a shining new star and a brand new title sponsor, how quickly things can change.

One thing that Ocon might think about is that it can hardly do his stock any damage to be smashing his team mate week in week out on the world stage. But then he might be in the position of actually needing a large income to service his debts.

Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 27th October 11:46
Lack of money has hamstrung Williams for years now. Major rule and regulation changes have always given smaller teams a big chance to upset the bigger teams but they always catch up eventually.

carl_w

9,187 posts

258 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Danny Ric doesn't see the point in driving the RB at the next two races https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-helpl...

thebigmacmoomin

2,799 posts

169 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Vaud said:
DanielSan said:
Merc won't be funding Ocon's drive, Williams have already said they can only get him in the car if they can find a sponsor to cover the costs.
Discounted engine + some informal advisory?
Arn't Williams using Renault engines next year?

Clockwork Cupcake

74,584 posts

272 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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carl_w said:
Danny Ric doesn't see the point in driving the RB at the next two races https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-helpl...
I don't really blame him, tbh.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
I don't really blame him, tbh.
Still feel he should have stayed at Red Bull.

Moving to Renault just seems a backwards step

At least at Red Bull he would have a chance of a win even with the Honda engine.

But you can totally understand why he is having enough.

Merry

1,370 posts

188 months

Monday 29th October 2018
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thebigmacmoomin said:
Arn't Williams using Renault engines next year?
Unless I've travelled back to 2011, no.