The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*
Discussion
Stroll is still to be officially confirmed at RPFI for 2019. I mean everyone knows that's where he'll be but only Perez has been confirmed by the team for 2019. This is likely to be down to Papa Stroll still trying to come to an amicable agreement with Williams about Lance leaving early. Apparently the deal for Lance at Williams was a multi-year deal, with at least 2019 in the contract, if not 2020 as well with penalty or break fees possibly even moving into 10's or millions of pounds which Lawrence Stroll is trying to negotiate down. Stories of RPFI not announcing because of 'respect' to Ocon are wide of the mark IMO. They haven't announced because, at the moment anyway, and despite Williams announcing Kubica and Russell as driving for them next year, Lance Stroll is still, officially anyway, a Williams Driver.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I dunno, I just don't think OCO has shown anything like enough maturity to deserve a seat in one of the best cars on the grid.
Let's be honest, if MERC still had ROS in the other car they wouldn't have won the WDC this year-for certain. I know people blow about the manufacturers wanting the WCC (or WCM if you're old school!) but I think that only counts for the lower down teams-for the big manufacturers the WDC is just worth so much more in publicity than FOM payments.
Don't know how you work that out. If Rosberg was in the other Merc this year they'd have had a lot more 1-2/1-3/2-3 finishes ahead of at least one or more likely both Ferrari's. Despite what people like to think they wouldn't be knocking each other off the track week in week out. Let's be honest, if MERC still had ROS in the other car they wouldn't have won the WDC this year-for certain. I know people blow about the manufacturers wanting the WCC (or WCM if you're old school!) but I think that only counts for the lower down teams-for the big manufacturers the WDC is just worth so much more in publicity than FOM payments.
The drivers championship wouldn't have necessarily been won by a Mercedes driver, depending on how Vettel did in that scenario, as they'd be taking points from each other more, but even then they're still bagging big points for team with 2 cars finishing on the podium rather than handing points to Ferrari and Red Bull having the dead weight that is Bottas regularly being beaten.
DanielSan said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I dunno, I just don't think OCO has shown anything like enough maturity to deserve a seat in one of the best cars on the grid.
Let's be honest, if MERC still had ROS in the other car they wouldn't have won the WDC this year-for certain. I know people blow about the manufacturers wanting the WCC (or WCM if you're old school!) but I think that only counts for the lower down teams-for the big manufacturers the WDC is just worth so much more in publicity than FOM payments.
Don't know how you work that out. If Rosberg was in the other Merc this year they'd have had a lot more 1-2/1-3/2-3 finishes ahead of at least one or more likely both Ferrari's. Despite what people like to think they wouldn't be knocking each other off the track week in week out. Let's be honest, if MERC still had ROS in the other car they wouldn't have won the WDC this year-for certain. I know people blow about the manufacturers wanting the WCC (or WCM if you're old school!) but I think that only counts for the lower down teams-for the big manufacturers the WDC is just worth so much more in publicity than FOM payments.
The drivers championship wouldn't have necessarily been won by a Mercedes driver, depending on how Vettel did in that scenario, as they'd be taking points from each other more, but even then they're still bagging big points for team with 2 cars finishing on the podium rather than handing points to Ferrari and Red Bull having the dead weight that is Bottas regularly being beaten.
I was talking about the drivers championship-WDC World Driver’s Champion
DanielSan said:
The drivers championship wouldn't have necessarily been won by a Mercedes driver, depending on how Vettel did in that scenario, as they'd be taking points from each other more, but even then they're still bagging big points for team with 2 cars finishing on the podium rather than handing points to Ferrari and Red Bull having the dead weight that is Bottas regularly being beaten.
That's exactly the point LaurasOtherHlaf was making, Vettel could well have won the DWC with a stronger driver like Rosberg int he other Merc.I think Merc have a difficult decision in some ways. They know that all things being equal Bottas will not be able to beat Lewis over a season or come that close to doing so and therefore that makes Lewis a happier driver enabling him to be even better when not worrying about his team mate. However they can't afford to have their second driver be too far behind as otherwise the WCC will be difficult to achieve. As Ferrari and possibly Red Bull get better each season of the hybrid era so Merc need to optimise their performance more and more.
They need a perfect balance of drivers to ensure they can still win the DWC and CWC even if their competitors are closer to them or even faster on occasions. Had Rosberg been in the other Merc this year I think the DWC would still have gone to Lewis, but it would have been a lot tighter. We also need to remember this has been Lewis' best ever season performance wise... can he do that again next season? Would Ocon be a better bet in case that happens? So many factors in play and it's not a decision I would like to have to make.
cb1965 said:
DanielSan said:
The drivers championship wouldn't have necessarily been won by a Mercedes driver, depending on how Vettel did in that scenario, as they'd be taking points from each other more, but even then they're still bagging big points for team with 2 cars finishing on the podium rather than handing points to Ferrari and Red Bull having the dead weight that is Bottas regularly being beaten.
That's exactly the point LaurasOtherHlaf was making, Vettel could well have won the DWC with a stronger driver like Rosberg int he other Merc.I think Merc have a difficult decision in some ways. They know that all things being equal Bottas will not be able to beat Lewis over a season or come that close to doing so and therefore that makes Lewis a happier driver enabling him to be even better when not worrying about his team mate. However they can't afford to have their second driver be too far behind as otherwise the WCC will be difficult to achieve. As Ferrari and possibly Red Bull get better each season of the hybrid era so Merc need to optimise their performance more and more.
They need a perfect balance of drivers to ensure they can still win the DWC and CWC even if their competitors are closer to them or even faster on occasions. Had Rosberg been in the other Merc this year I think the DWC would still have gone to Lewis, but it would have been a lot tighter. We also need to remember this has been Lewis' best ever season performance wise... can he do that again next season? Would Ocon be a better bet in case that happens? So many factors in play and it's not a decision I would like to have to make.
North West Tom said:
I think if Leclerc was announced earlier, Mercedes would have been more inclined to give Ocon the seat for 2019. That way, it would've been Ham vs Vet and Oco vs Lec. Both rookies wouldn't complain about being Number 2 drivers and probably wouldn't hamper Ham or Vet's title chances.
Doesn't always work out like that though. Alonso admitted that he didn't think Hamilton would hamper is WC chances in 2007, that soon changed. I suspect Hamilton is happier with Bottas than he would be with Ocon. Leclerc might well be able to get in Vettel's face, but I suspect Ferrari will manage that properly.Tyres for next year, anybody else heard something similar?
They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
Deesee said:
Tyres for next year, anybody else heard something similar?
They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
I believe this was mentioned on the pre-race build up on Sky yesterday, and the idea has been dismissed by the teams as being too complicated.They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
How about the race runs as normal, but 10 laps from the end they all come in, and then there is a public vote. Then they all form up on the grid again in the new order as adjusted by the vote, on the tyres that their third best qualifying time was set on, and finish the race. Only the rest of the race isn't screened until the next day and everyone pretends that it's "tomorrow" in the interviews.
Then the podium winners have to go out again for a qualifying shootout using the engine that they used the week before plus a special turbo that has to be fitted in under 30 mins by mechanics, who have to wear fancy dress, and the team are awarded an extra 5 points for the most entertaining pit crew, which might alter who wins.
That should do it.
Then the podium winners have to go out again for a qualifying shootout using the engine that they used the week before plus a special turbo that has to be fitted in under 30 mins by mechanics, who have to wear fancy dress, and the team are awarded an extra 5 points for the most entertaining pit crew, which might alter who wins.
That should do it.
Teppic said:
Deesee said:
Tyres for next year, anybody else heard something similar?
They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
I believe this was mentioned on the pre-race build up on Sky yesterday, and the idea has been dismissed by the teams as being too complicated.They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
Deesee said:
Tyres for next year, anybody else heard something similar?
They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
I've not seen or heard that anywhere else, and at first glance it looks a bit gimmicky. However, thinking about it more, it should stop them from nursing a set of tyres for 50 laps trying to eek out a boring one-stop race, and force them into a two or three stop strategy, in which they might as well push more to use up the tyre life in shorter stints. And if the teams disapprove because 'it's too complicated' then that's even more reason to go for it.They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
thegreenhell said:
Deesee said:
Tyres for next year, anybody else heard something similar?
They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
I've not seen or heard that anywhere else, and at first glance it looks a bit gimmicky. However, thinking about it more, it should stop them from nursing a set of tyres for 50 laps trying to eek out a boring one-stop race, and force them into a two or three stop strategy, in which they might as well push more to use up the tyre life in shorter stints. And if the teams disapprove because 'it's too complicated' then that's even more reason to go for it.They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
You MUST pitstop and change tyres at least twice during the race.
RichB said:
It funny because during the re-fueling era people complained that it made an F1 race into a series of 3 short sprints.
Yup. Indeed, I remember (many) people being really happy when refuelling was banned, as they were looking forward to "proper" races where fuel and tyre management would make it so much more strategic, and you wouldn't get this whole "overtaking in the pits" thing any more.
London424 said:
thegreenhell said:
Deesee said:
Tyres for next year, anybody else heard something similar?
They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
I've not seen or heard that anywhere else, and at first glance it looks a bit gimmicky. However, thinking about it more, it should stop them from nursing a set of tyres for 50 laps trying to eek out a boring one-stop race, and force them into a two or three stop strategy, in which they might as well push more to use up the tyre life in shorter stints. And if the teams disapprove because 'it's too complicated' then that's even more reason to go for it.They will have to make a points tally of say 10 or 12 for during the race.
Race by race the allocation will be say 5 for hard, 4 for medium, 3 for soft.
This with the increased fuel limits may mean we have the cars pushing a bit harder with fresher rubber for the race.
You MUST pitstop and change tyres at least twice during the race.
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