The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*
Discussion
housen said:
mclaren are just lost mechanically
nice pay day but he wants to win
Of course. But if Mercedes and Ferrari seats aren't available - and with the rumours of Newey leaving, where would you go?nice pay day but he wants to win
McLaren-Renault or risk RedBull-Honda with an uncertain engine and maybe without a Newey?
If he can't secure Mercedes or Ferrari, then a 2 year stint somewhere else?
Vaud said:
housen said:
mclaren are just lost mechanically
nice pay day but he wants to win
Of course. But if Mercedes and Ferrari seats aren't available - and with the rumours of Newey leaving, where would you go?nice pay day but he wants to win
McLaren-Renault or risk RedBull-Honda with an uncertain engine and maybe without a Newey?
If he can't secure Mercedes or Ferrari, then a 2 year stint somewhere else?
If Newey is leaving then he should be following him to wherever he goes. A works Renault seat with Newey's input wouldn't be a bad place to be.
If the Newey rumours are false, and it could just be another team trying to destabilise RBR or influence RIC's decision, then he probably needs to stay put for a couple more years until the end of the current rules cycle. By that time not only will the future path of F1's rules be more certain, but Hamilton and Vettel's current/expected contracts will be up for renewal, so he might have a genuine chance of being team leader at Mercedes or Ferrari then, if he carries his current form for another two years. And in the meantime he'd still be in a Newey Red Bull with a works engine in the back.
If the Newey rumours are false, and it could just be another team trying to destabilise RBR or influence RIC's decision, then he probably needs to stay put for a couple more years until the end of the current rules cycle. By that time not only will the future path of F1's rules be more certain, but Hamilton and Vettel's current/expected contracts will be up for renewal, so he might have a genuine chance of being team leader at Mercedes or Ferrari then, if he carries his current form for another two years. And in the meantime he'd still be in a Newey Red Bull with a works engine in the back.
Vaud said:
housen said:
mclaren are just lost mechanically
nice pay day but he wants to win
Of course. But if Mercedes and Ferrari seats aren't available - and with the rumours of Newey leaving, where would you go?nice pay day but he wants to win
McLaren-Renault or risk RedBull-Honda with an uncertain engine and maybe without a Newey?
If he can't secure Mercedes or Ferrari, then a 2 year stint somewhere else?
That is unless Verstappen were to start drastically out-scoring me...
Do Red Bull actually want to keep him? All the chatter about DR to McLaren or Mercedes seems to come from Red Bull themselves so are they prompting the others to sign him up?
Do Red Bull think they have one too many No1s?
Do they want CSjnr back in, destabilising Renault at a key point?
As always in F1, nothing is ever as simple as it first seems!
Do Red Bull think they have one too many No1s?
Do they want CSjnr back in, destabilising Renault at a key point?
As always in F1, nothing is ever as simple as it first seems!
Dr Z said:
Well, if McLaren really did approach Ricciardo, it can mean Alonso is leaving.
If I were them, I'd put Norris in the car along with Vandoorne.
Put the extra $$$ into the car.
Not necessarily? It could mean Alonso is doing more Indy, a little or nothing at all. Norris could be FA's understudy should races clash but it could equally mean SvD is getting the boot as well.If I were them, I'd put Norris in the car along with Vandoorne.
Put the extra $$$ into the car.
HustleRussell said:
Vaud said:
housen said:
mclaren are just lost mechanically
nice pay day but he wants to win
Of course. But if Mercedes and Ferrari seats aren't available - and with the rumours of Newey leaving, where would you go?nice pay day but he wants to win
McLaren-Renault or risk RedBull-Honda with an uncertain engine and maybe without a Newey?
If he can't secure Mercedes or Ferrari, then a 2 year stint somewhere else?
That is unless Verstappen were to start drastically out-scoring me...
And that's before you even consider Newey leaving.
suffolk009 said:
HustleRussell said:
Vaud said:
housen said:
mclaren are just lost mechanically
nice pay day but he wants to win
Of course. But if Mercedes and Ferrari seats aren't available - and with the rumours of Newey leaving, where would you go?nice pay day but he wants to win
McLaren-Renault or risk RedBull-Honda with an uncertain engine and maybe without a Newey?
If he can't secure Mercedes or Ferrari, then a 2 year stint somewhere else?
That is unless Verstappen were to start drastically out-scoring me...
And that's before you even consider Newey leaving.
What we haven't got a clue about is why?
suffolk009 said:
To my mind there is zero chance that the 2019 Red Bull Honda will be better than the 2019 McLaren Renault.
And that's before you even consider Newey leaving.
Bold statement IMO, I think it's likely that Honda will continue to lose out slightly to Renault in terms of reliability particularly when Red Bull has shrink wrapped a car around it but the talk these days is that the Renault and the Honda are pretty much equal on power, I bet the Honda is lighter and smaller- and the Red Bull car would appear to be light years ahead of the McLaren this year. McLaren are having a particularly dismal season and have had a rude awakening but a lap pace deficit of around two seconds on average is not going to evaporate over the winter. And that's before you even consider Newey leaving.
P.S. I have only heard the 'Newey leaving' rumour from Vaud so far
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Renault offered Red Bull their engines be badged as Aston Martin for their commercial benefit which tells me two things-Renault wanted to keep Red Bull as a customer but Red Bull preferred Honda.
What we haven't got a clue about is why?
Because if the Red Bull isn't Renault powered then Renault power units are going to completely disappear from the podium. What we haven't got a clue about is why?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Renault offered Red Bull their engines be badged as Aston Martin for their commercial benefit which tells me two things-Renault wanted to keep Red Bull as a customer but Red Bull preferred Honda.
What we haven't got a clue about is why?
Honda have matched Renault with their spec 2, and have similar steps in performance planned as Renault for the future. We are getting into the realms of small gains now with these PUs and I expect it will be about who can build the best chassis in the next two years while having a close partnership with an engine manufacturer. RBR have not had the closest relationship with Renault, as I'm sure we are aware.What we haven't got a clue about is why?
The Honda engine also presumably comes for free and some extra funds in the coffers for RBR, like McLaren had. The Honda also might offer some packaging benefits over Renault with the split turbo layout and the opportunity to work closely with a PU manufacturer should surely get Newey's juices flowing.
However, I'm not sure I believe Horner when he says that this is a pure engineering decision, especially when they have signed for only 2 years. That doesn't smack of huge confidence in Honda's abilities to me.
Dr Z said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Renault offered Red Bull their engines be badged as Aston Martin for their commercial benefit which tells me two things-Renault wanted to keep Red Bull as a customer but Red Bull preferred Honda.
What we haven't got a clue about is why?
Honda have matched Renault with their spec 2, and have similar steps in performance planned as Renault for the future. We are getting into the realms of small gains now with these PUs and I expect it will be about who can build the best chassis in the next two years while having a close partnership with an engine manufacturer. RBR have not had the closest relationship with Renault, as I'm sure we are aware.What we haven't got a clue about is why?
The Honda engine also presumably comes for free and some extra funds in the coffers for RBR, like McLaren had. The Honda also might offer some packaging benefits over Renault with the split turbo layout and the opportunity to work closely with a PU manufacturer should surely get Newey's juices flowing.
However, I'm not sure I believe Horner when he says that this is a pure engineering decision, especially when they have signed for only 2 years. That doesn't smack of huge confidence in Honda's abilities to me.
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