The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*
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Vaud said:
You can only negotiate from a position of strength. If Mercedes and Ferrari don't want him at present, then he loses his bargaining power?
for one RB need a team leader, max while undoubtedly gifted is obviously not ready to lead the team.For two he's bloody good and getting results max isn't, a short deal with a get out could work well for both parties.
hairyben said:
I wouldn't drive that thing for 20M, McLaren would be the worst for ric, if he can't be in a title challenging team he needs to be on the boil somewhere. Going to McLaren on a hope and big pay packet reminds me of button to Honda, and while that may have worked out oddly well in the end he did drop off peoples radar for a while.
works for Alonso ...his star hasn't faded, it's just he has the same problem- no seats & he doesn't have time to sparethe problem for Ric is that RBR are clearly pro Max ...it's only a matter of time that Max will mature, improve & RBR will focus on him more & more
angrymoby said:
works for Alonso ...his star hasn't faded, it's just he has the same problem- no seats & he doesn't have time to spare
the problem for Ric is that RBR are clearly pro Max ...it's only a matter of time that Max will mature, improve & RBR will focus on him more & more
alonsos already a wdc though. That doesn't go away. Danny needs a title before he can take the risk.the problem for Ric is that RBR are clearly pro Max ...it's only a matter of time that Max will mature, improve & RBR will focus on him more & more
Angpozzuto said:
The only real options I can see for ricciardo are stay at red bull and hope Honda can up their game or swap with sainz and go to Renault who I think will see success before mclaren
I feel quite oddly optimistic about Honda, now they're (for one) developing the engine they wanted to build rather than the unicorn mclaren insisted on, and able to develop that engine this year rather than juggle development with reliability. And two teams next year means twice the data, why mclaren wouldn't let honda supply a 2nd team for the development info makes no sense. I also think there may be a mindset of having something to prove after being publicaly humiliated then rejected.hairyben said:
I feel quite oddly optimistic about Honda, now they're (for one) developing the engine they wanted to build rather than the unicorn mclaren insisted on...
But what kind of unicorn engine are Red Bull going to want? They're already starting to talk about having an engine 'purely designed around our car', and Adrian Newey isn't famous for giving much space for packaging.It might all be nicey-nicey talk at the moment, but I think that Honda may have gone from the McLaren frying pan into the Red Bull fire.
thegreenhell said:
But what kind of unicorn engine are Red Bull going to want? They're already starting to talk about having an engine 'purely designed around our car', and Adrian Newey isn't famous for giving much space for packaging.
It might all be nicey-nicey talk at the moment, but I think that Honda may have gone from the McLaren frying pan into the Red Bull fire.
Was it the first year of the hybrids that Red Bull had a smaller hybrid part with less power so that Newey could get the aero he wanted?It might all be nicey-nicey talk at the moment, but I think that Honda may have gone from the McLaren frying pan into the Red Bull fire.
thegreenhell said:
But what kind of unicorn engine are Red Bull going to want? They're already starting to talk about having an engine 'purely designed around our car', and Adrian Newey isn't famous for giving much space for packaging.
It might all be nicey-nicey talk at the moment, but I think that Honda may have gone from the McLaren frying pan into the Red Bull fire.
Newey originally chose the renault v8 for its existing packaging and cooling qualities over the fez lump though, he didn't ask them to redesign it. They have the experience of observing mclarens error in trying to dictate too many parameters to the engine builders so you'd hope they'd understand when and where to compromise - Red bull are a much more successful team today than mclaren and they didn't achieve that by not giving the best people the freedom to do what they do best and listen to what they have to say. Which is precisely how they snared and retained newey.It might all be nicey-nicey talk at the moment, but I think that Honda may have gone from the McLaren frying pan into the Red Bull fire.
There's a lot of pro RBR chat on here. I can understand that. But history shows that all teams have their time at the top, then things change, the teams regroup, and if they're lucky they come back. RBR have had their time at the top, they've badmouthed their engine partner and Renault apparently want no more to do with them. So they're stuck with the slowest, most under-powered, most unreliable, and thirsty engine on the grid. RBR are (inexplicably) loved up with Verstappen and seemingly giving their better driver the cold shoulder. On top of all this there are rumours of Newey departing - and he's already distanced himself a bit from the day to day and design. Yet, most important of all is the fact that RBR are the marketing arm of a fizzy drinks company. When their owner has had enough and it no longer suits his marketing purpose, both teams will be sold to the highest bidder.
If I were in Ricciardo's position, I'd want to join a race team who exist to go racing and are on the ascendancy again. With Ferrari and Merc apparently out of the picture that leaves only McLaren and Renault. Both are race teams, both are on the up. It's a tough choice (assuming there's even a seat available at Renault), but I think in the medium term McLaren are better funded and likely to be more focused. I think McLaren will be regularly winning before Renault.
If I were in Ricciardo's position, I'd want to join a race team who exist to go racing and are on the ascendancy again. With Ferrari and Merc apparently out of the picture that leaves only McLaren and Renault. Both are race teams, both are on the up. It's a tough choice (assuming there's even a seat available at Renault), but I think in the medium term McLaren are better funded and likely to be more focused. I think McLaren will be regularly winning before Renault.
thegreenhell said:
Newey back to McLaren? If the rumours are correct that he's looking to leave Red Bull, and McLaren are said to be searching for a new TD...
They could probably get Newey and Ricciardo for the same as they're paying Alonso.
In exchange for a nice % of McLaren and involvement in the road car business?They could probably get Newey and Ricciardo for the same as they're paying Alonso.
Vaud said:
thegreenhell said:
Newey back to McLaren? If the rumours are correct that he's looking to leave Red Bull, and McLaren are said to be searching for a new TD...
They could probably get Newey and Ricciardo for the same as they're paying Alonso.
In exchange for a nice % of McLaren and involvement in the road car business?They could probably get Newey and Ricciardo for the same as they're paying Alonso.
Vaud said:
In exchange for a nice % of McLaren and involvement in the road car business?
Sure, why not? There's clearly excess stock floating around after the RD buyout. They sold a chunk of it to John Latifi, but there's probably more that could be made available to the right person. McLaren's rumoured potential future involvement in Indycar and Le Mans could be a further temptation to him.thegreenhell said:
Newey back to McLaren? If the rumours are correct that he's looking to leave Red Bull, and McLaren are said to be searching for a new TD...
They could probably get Newey and Ricciardo for the same as they're paying Alonso.
Newey hasn’t finished his road car project with Aston yet so I’d be amazed if he leaves until that’s completed at least. They could probably get Newey and Ricciardo for the same as they're paying Alonso.
Hmmm - can't see why he'd want to go to McLaren
https://www.essentiallysports.com/kimi-raikkonen-p...
Unless he's just interested in the money
https://www.essentiallysports.com/kimi-raikkonen-p...
Unless he's just interested in the money
MartG said:
Hmmm - can't see why he'd want to go to McLaren
https://www.essentiallysports.com/kimi-raikkonen-p...
Unless he's just interested in the money
Well IF he is out at Ferrari then he has few options... McLaren need experience and he is a WDC which is key for sponsors. I can think of worse ideas to replace Alonso. https://www.essentiallysports.com/kimi-raikkonen-p...
Unless he's just interested in the money
But then I'd release Alonso and Vandoorne and promote Lando Norris. Kimi would be a good balance?
I didn't think I would ever see Kimi back at Ferrari, so another stint at McLaren would probably be good for both parties. Kimi gets to drive and McLaren get an experienced driver to help develop the car without getting involved in team politics. As said previously he did seem to work well with Boullier at Lotus bur he may be gone by the time Kimi arrives.
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