The Official 2018 Monaco Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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Vijay Mallya has stepped down as a director of the Force India F1 team.
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Just got those who complain F1 isn’t like the good old days... Spain 81. Villeneuve wins the Spanish GP holding back 4 other cars because no one could overtake. Yet this is seen as one of the greatest races in the sports history.
Just got those who complain F1 isn’t like the good old days... Spain 81. Villeneuve wins the Spanish GP holding back 4 other cars because no one could overtake. Yet this is seen as one of the greatest races in the sports history.
DanielSan said:
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Just got those who complain F1 isn’t like the good old days... Spain 81. Villeneuve wins the Spanish GP holding back 4 other cars because no one could overtake. Yet this is seen as one of the greatest races in the sports history.
I remember that one, great drive.Just got those who complain F1 isn’t like the good old days... Spain 81. Villeneuve wins the Spanish GP holding back 4 other cars because no one could overtake. Yet this is seen as one of the greatest races in the sports history.
was he lapping 8 seconds off the pole time though?
ELUSIVEJIM said:
If it was Vettel being allowed past I would feel exactly the same.
Huh? It happens literally all the time. We are always seeing drivers not fighting the cars they are not in direct competition with, as it slows them down and will make them lose places with who they are really fighting with.I don't understand the faux outrage here.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Will be interesting to see what they do next ... they need to rectify what appears to be a very fundamental flaw in the design. snake_oil said:
Huh? It happens literally all the time. We are always seeing drivers not fighting the cars they are not in direct competition with, as it slows them down and will make them lose places with who they are really fighting with.
I don't understand the faux outrage here.
If it happens all the time then why is Martin Brundle and many others agreeing?I don't understand the faux outrage here.
Because it was blatant and not a teammate.
Mark-C said:
Will be interesting to see what they do next ... they need to rectify what appears to be a very fundamental flaw in the design.
I really hope they do sort things out.But to be fair is McLaren any better?
It's sad to see great names struggling even if McLaren have improved slightly.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
snake_oil said:
Huh? It happens literally all the time. We are always seeing drivers not fighting the cars they are not in direct competition with, as it slows them down and will make them lose places with who they are really fighting with.
I don't understand the faux outrage here.
If it happens all the time then why is Martin Brundle and many others agreeing?I don't understand the faux outrage here.
Because it was blatant and not a teammate.
The reason Brundle brought it up was he had 20 paragraphs to write about a very dull race and this accounted for one paragraph.
swisstoni said:
The reason it was brought up on here is it was Hamilton.
The reason Brundle brought it up was he had 20 paragraphs to write about a very dull race and this accounted for one paragraph.
I would imagine if it had been Ferrari it would be off the charts on here.The reason Brundle brought it up was he had 20 paragraphs to write about a very dull race and this accounted for one paragraph.
No team should be telling others to move out of the way.
Wonder if Red Bull or McLaren would do the same if Renault were to stipulate that they needed to let Sainz or the Hulk past.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 31st May 15:15
ELUSIVEJIM said:
No team should be telling others to move out of the way.
Did they or is this just the usual PH conspiracy theory hunting? He had no reason to try to keep Hamilton behind, since they weren't racing for real position (as he still had to make a pit stop). Why slow himself down or risk contact trying to keep someone who he wasn't racing behind him? ELUSIVEJIM said:
swisstoni said:
The reason it was brought up on here is it was Hamilton.
The reason Brundle brought it up was he had 20 paragraphs to write about a very dull race and this accounted for one paragraph.
I would imagine if it had been Ferrari it would be off the charts on here.The reason Brundle brought it up was he had 20 paragraphs to write about a very dull race and this accounted for one paragraph.
No team should be telling others to move out of the way.
Wonder if Red Bull or McLaren would do the same if Renault were to stipulate that they needed to let Sainz or the Hulk past.
Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Thursday 31st May 15:15
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/104626/red-bull-...
ELUSIVEJIM said:
snake_oil said:
Huh? It happens literally all the time. We are always seeing drivers not fighting the cars they are not in direct competition with, as it slows them down and will make them lose places with who they are really fighting with.
I don't understand the faux outrage here.
If it happens all the time then why is Martin Brundle and many others agreeing?I don't understand the faux outrage here.
Because it was blatant and not a teammate.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I would imagine if it had been Ferrari it would be off the charts on here.
In 1997 Norberto Fontana, driving a Sauber with a Ferrari engine, was approached by Todt a few hours before the race and ordered to block Villeneuve (the Saubers were going to be lapped) but let Schumacher through. Which he did, see: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8oalfEdited by ELUSIVEJIM on Thursday 31st May 15:15
There was uproar on PH. There was nearly a page and a half of rants and raves, a few of which were on the subject of cheating, when Fontana spoke out about it.
So I imagine you were wrong. The circumstances are easily found on Google, but if you want just the one, try https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/z4a3z4/colli...
The only reason this circumstance came to light is that Fontana never drover in F1 after 97 and he was a bit bitter about it.
It seems to me that the uproar comes when Hamilton is involved. This is a nothing event.
How about the final race of the 2016 season when Hamilton backed his team mate into Vettel but the latter made no attempt to pass his fellow German, despite second being available on a plate? Was that worthy of off the charts PH anger?
snake_oil said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
snake_oil said:
Huh? It happens literally all the time. We are always seeing drivers not fighting the cars they are not in direct competition with, as it slows them down and will make them lose places with who they are really fighting with.
I don't understand the faux outrage here.
If it happens all the time then why is Martin Brundle and many others agreeing?I don't understand the faux outrage here.
Because it was blatant and not a teammate.
What often happens is that a driver on a different strategy will not fight a driver coming past. But Monaco is different - I don't know if there is video of the manoeuvre but the slower driver usually has to actively move out of the way. A driver letting someone past may well lose more time compared to holding station.
Mr_Thyroid said:
When does it happen all the time?
What often happens is that a driver on a different strategy will not fight a driver coming past. But Monaco is different - I don't know if there is video of the manoeuvre but the slower driver usually has to actively move out of the way. A driver letting someone past may well lose more time compared to holding station.
At the absolute most it would have cost Ocon half a second. How much time do you think he would loose defending from Hamilton for 5 laps? What often happens is that a driver on a different strategy will not fight a driver coming past. But Monaco is different - I don't know if there is video of the manoeuvre but the slower driver usually has to actively move out of the way. A driver letting someone past may well lose more time compared to holding station.
Mr_Thyroid said:
When does it happen all the time?
What often happens is that a driver on a different strategy will not fight a driver coming past. But Monaco is different - I don't know if there is video of the manoeuvre but the slower driver usually has to actively move out of the way. A driver letting someone past may well lose more time compared to holding station.
He's also got to consider the risk of Hamilton being desperate to get past to preserve his position relative to the Ferraris, going for a gap which isn't really there, and taking them both out of the race. All in all I don't really doubt that losing half a second letting him past was the best solution in that situation. What often happens is that a driver on a different strategy will not fight a driver coming past. But Monaco is different - I don't know if there is video of the manoeuvre but the slower driver usually has to actively move out of the way. A driver letting someone past may well lose more time compared to holding station.
kambites said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
When does it happen all the time?
What often happens is that a driver on a different strategy will not fight a driver coming past. But Monaco is different - I don't know if there is video of the manoeuvre but the slower driver usually has to actively move out of the way. A driver letting someone past may well lose more time compared to holding station.
He's also got to consider the risk of Hamilton being desperate to get past to preserve his position relative to the Ferraris, going for a gap which isn't really there, and taking them both out of the race. All in all I don't really doubt that losing half a second letting him past was the best solution in that situation. What often happens is that a driver on a different strategy will not fight a driver coming past. But Monaco is different - I don't know if there is video of the manoeuvre but the slower driver usually has to actively move out of the way. A driver letting someone past may well lose more time compared to holding station.
But the issue is that all this was done with the knowledge that Ocon would move out of the way - it wasn't Ocon deciding what was best for his own strategy, Mercedes had spoken to him beforehand and therefore when Hamilton pitted early he was safe in the knowledge that he wouldn't be held up by the Force India.
To be clear, I am a rooting for Hamilton in the championship so in a way I am glad this happened, but I don't think it should be allowed.
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