F1 on TV - 2019
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
rscott said:
When the Sky deal was announced, they also confirmed that highlights would be available on a free to air channel, so surely this deal shouldn't come as any real surprise?
The surprising aspect is that the free to air aspect doesn't appear to be using a Sky owned platform. That was what most assumed - including me.Teppic said:
And that's the thing. It depends when the highlights will be shown, and how long the highlights will be. A 2 hour programme a couple of hours after the race, as they are currently, would be OK. However, a 1 hour programme at 01:00 on a Wednesday morning would not.
The devil will be in the detail.
I doubt C4 will show more/be allowed to show more than an hour at most, and probably not before Tuesday - if you try to follow MotoGP, WSB or BSB on free to view you'll get the idea! The devil will be in the detail.
Stan the Bat said:
There are always the 'other' means to see the races live or very soon after.
My view, being a grumpy sod, is that if they don’t want me to watch it then I won’t watch it and they can explain that to their advertisers.I’ll continue to go and see a couple of F1 races a year (plus loads more non-F1 then I used to) and listen to others on the radio ... with possibly the odd one on a big screen in a pub if I have time.
I made the made the same decision with football and Cricket years ago.
Can’t be arsed with ‘other’ means - they need to make the effort not me
HTP99 said:
Interesting development when it seemed it would be Sky only, I wonder why this has come about.
I take it you read none of my earlier posts in this thread. Despite what a few people have said, F1 sponsorship of TEAMS is dependent on viewing figures as the TV money bypasses the teams. The sports owners (Bernie before and Liberty now) know this, have done their sums and realised it will cost them dearly in the long run if they take the short-term view of big payouts from exclusive rights TV companies.The Sky payout was a one-off that will never be repeated, and the sports owners know that viewing figures in the tens of thousands (which Sky are bringing in currently) will kill the sport.
I am in Italy at the moment and watched the qualifying on Channel 4 (via satellite) - brilliant coverage as always. I watched the race on Italy's terrestrial equivalent of the late free-to-air re-run (on TV8 - as most people in Italy now do) as I was out all day on Sunday at my cousin's 50th birthday bash. Managed to miss the spoilers and my enjoyment was unaffected by watching it late evening with a full belly and a glass of vino in my hand!
Currently watching the Tour de France on free-to-air TV on RAI 3 - another sport that has realised its best exposure comes from being on free, broadcast TV.
Eric Mc said:
The surprising aspect is that the free to air aspect doesn't appear to be using a Sky owned platform. That was what most assumed - including me.
I'll admit to being a tad surprised by that too as TV8 is Italy's equivalent of Pick (ie. a Sky owned 24-hour FTA terrestrial channel), but I think the person who should be most surprised is Martin Brundle who assumed wrongly that Sky were in F1 for the long-haul (unless by that he meant a few years). I maintain that they bought-in high in a fit of irrationality because Bernie played them off BT and they have since realised they overpaid. The regime has since changed at the top of Sky and I suspect the new directors have already decided not to renew the UK F1 deal unless it is at considerably more preferential rates.Either that or they know that Liberty as rivals will not even enter negotiations for renewing the deal so are planning their exit strategy accordingly, with another production company ready to step in.
Edited by r11co on Tuesday 10th July 15:46
We've decided to dump Sky once our '£35 for absolutely everything' deal runs out later this year. F1 is the only exclusive thing we'd miss, Amazon Prime and Netflix more than sufficient for our needs otherwise.
One potential positive, I've just watched the 7 minute highlight package F1 officially publish on YouTube after the race. It's actually pretty decent, if that's how I'll watch F1 in future I'm kinda ok with that.
One potential positive, I've just watched the 7 minute highlight package F1 officially publish on YouTube after the race. It's actually pretty decent, if that's how I'll watch F1 in future I'm kinda ok with that.
Eric Mc said:
Yes - I've started watching the F1 you tube channel to keep abreast of what has happened. I don't even want to bother with Channel 4 highlights as they tend to be on fairly late.
The only slight problem with F1 youtube channel is that they love to spoil things, e.g. post fastest qualy lap with obvious title before qualy highlights themselves? No problem. I don't really care that much any more. F1 has become like cricket, boxing and rugby to me - I just find out about what happened through radio and on line reporting. The ability to watch it properly in an easy and simple (and free) manner is gone.
It means I am following many sports the way my dad did in the 1950s - by reading about it all later.
It means I am following many sports the way my dad did in the 1950s - by reading about it all later.
For years i was on the Sky deal where F1 was free (i think if you had Eurosport). This week (due to bill hitting £110 for landline, 4m/b broadband and the entertainment pack without Sky Sports or movies) i called to can it all
Stupidly ended up going for fibre and Q deal with entertainment pack etc for £62...however no F1. To add F1 was £28 a month.....£28 !!!!
Or as a special offer i could commit to 18 mths of all Sports channels for £20 a month, so basically £20 a month for F1 as i dont watch other sports.
Q arrives in 10 days and i specifically asked if Sky F1 would work until the Q kit goes in, and was told yes. Go to watch practice this morning and its gone already...ba5tards !
Highlights on youtube it will have to be, or channel 4 if not at a daft time of night, and i can be bothered. Watched F1 since 1976 while living in UK, USA and Australia...but they have lost me now. Hopefully when viewing figures drop enough, it will end up back on free to air.
Stupidly ended up going for fibre and Q deal with entertainment pack etc for £62...however no F1. To add F1 was £28 a month.....£28 !!!!
Or as a special offer i could commit to 18 mths of all Sports channels for £20 a month, so basically £20 a month for F1 as i dont watch other sports.
Q arrives in 10 days and i specifically asked if Sky F1 would work until the Q kit goes in, and was told yes. Go to watch practice this morning and its gone already...ba5tards !
Highlights on youtube it will have to be, or channel 4 if not at a daft time of night, and i can be bothered. Watched F1 since 1976 while living in UK, USA and Australia...but they have lost me now. Hopefully when viewing figures drop enough, it will end up back on free to air.
sjtgeray said:
Highlights on youtube it will have to be, or channel 4 if not at a daft time of night, and i can be bothered. Watched F1 since 1976 while living in UK, USA and Australia...but they have lost me now. Hopefully when viewing figures drop enough, it will end up back on free to air.
You can watch live F1 free if you want to. Turn your dish a few degrees, to point to a different satellite (from Astra 28° to Astra 19°), connect a generic set-top box to your TV, then you can watch the German RTL channel. I often used this when F1 was with ITV. At the start of each advert break, I switched to RTL. Only very occasionally, did the RTL adverts coincide with ITV.
I have followed F1 for more years than I care to admit to, suffice it to say that I have seen races with Stirling Moss and Jim Clark participating and since F1 has been screened on TV, I have not missed a single race. (When MotoGP was screened I missed no races on that either, but that went south for me when that went to pay tv.)
Since MotoGP went to a pay channel, I have seen the odd highlight only, and I guess that will be the same when F1 goes the pay tv route.
I am not prepared to pay for a package to see 1 or 2 races a month (5 or 6 hours of viewing a month).
Don't know how many others feel the same as I do, but do wonder what the cost is to the teams and sponsors in lost revenue from the reducing fan base in terms of memorabilia (I have spent a small fortune over the years on F1 memorabilia, sometimes team and sometimes signed, for myself as well as birthday and Christmas presents), advertising etc., to say nothing about the reduction of the pool from which future talent is attracted to the sport. Surely advertisers will also regard the reduced viewer base as not ideal.
Since MotoGP went to a pay channel, I have seen the odd highlight only, and I guess that will be the same when F1 goes the pay tv route.
I am not prepared to pay for a package to see 1 or 2 races a month (5 or 6 hours of viewing a month).
Don't know how many others feel the same as I do, but do wonder what the cost is to the teams and sponsors in lost revenue from the reducing fan base in terms of memorabilia (I have spent a small fortune over the years on F1 memorabilia, sometimes team and sometimes signed, for myself as well as birthday and Christmas presents), advertising etc., to say nothing about the reduction of the pool from which future talent is attracted to the sport. Surely advertisers will also regard the reduced viewer base as not ideal.
Jon39 said:
You can watch live F1 free if you want to. Turn your dish a few degrees, to point to a different satellite (from Astra 28° to Astra 19°), connect a generic set-top box to your TV, then you can watch the German RTL channel. I often used this when F1 was with ITV. At the start of each advert break, I switched to RTL. Only very occasionally, did the RTL adverts coincide with ITV.
grahammw said:
Don't know how many others feel the same as I do, but do wonder what the cost is to the teams and sponsors in lost revenue from the reducing fan base in terms of memorabilia (I have spent a small fortune over the years on F1 memorabilia, sometimes team and sometimes signed, for myself as well as birthday and Christmas presents), advertising etc., to say nothing about the reduction of the pool from which future talent is attracted to the sport. Surely advertisers will also regard the reduced viewer base as not ideal.
Sponsorship has changed considerably in F1 moving away from a predominance of consumer brands to corporates that buy into the ability to network in a unique setting - this a CEO to CEO networking thing, not your run of the mill regional BNi type event. Brand recognition and alignment to F1 is still important to them but done on a much more targeted approach. In short, TV coverage is less important to the sponsors of today compared to the sponsors of the past because the people that watch are not, on the whole, the target audience.
This is a discussion that prevails across all sports that have migrated to pay-to-view and one would think that if there were any negative financial consequences, the matter would have long reversed but as it is, it seems to be expanding further.
I can't say that I've seen any tail-off in fan bases in F1, Football, Cricket or whatever. Silverstone is rammed each year. Spa looked equally full on Sunday. Expect Monza to be overflowing with spectators. Even some of the newer places seem to be pulling in more punters each year. But maybe we need a generation to determine this properly.
Motor Sports and particularly F1 is my thing so I'm prepared to pay to watch it. Compared to playing golf or going to watch a football team, I don't think it's too expensive and the quality of coverage afforded by Sky is exemplary (IMO).
StevieBee said:
grahammw said:
Don't know how many others feel the same as I do, but do wonder what the cost is to the teams and sponsors in lost revenue from the reducing fan base in terms of memorabilia (I have spent a small fortune over the years on F1 memorabilia, sometimes team and sometimes signed, for myself as well as birthday and Christmas presents), advertising etc., to say nothing about the reduction of the pool from which future talent is attracted to the sport. Surely advertisers will also regard the reduced viewer base as not ideal.
Sponsorship has changed considerably in F1 moving away from a predominance of consumer brands to corporates that buy into the ability to network in a unique setting - this a CEO to CEO networking thing, not your run of the mill regional BNi type event. Brand recognition and alignment to F1 is still important to them but done on a much more targeted approach. In short, TV coverage is less important to the sponsors of today compared to the sponsors of the past because the people that watch are not, on the whole, the target audience.
This is a discussion that prevails across all sports that have migrated to pay-to-view and one would think that if there were any negative financial consequences, the matter would have long reversed but as it is, it seems to be expanding further.
I can't say that I've seen any tail-off in fan bases in F1, Football, Cricket or whatever. Silverstone is rammed each year. Spa looked equally full on Sunday. Expect Monza to be overflowing with spectators. Even some of the newer places seem to be pulling in more punters each year. But maybe we need a generation to determine this properly.
Motor Sports and particularly F1 is my thing so I'm prepared to pay to watch it. Compared to playing golf or going to watch a football team, I don't think it's too expensive and the quality of coverage afforded by Sky is exemplary (IMO).
Its nothing to do with sponsors. They are ONLY there to be seen, mix with their rivals and make new deals, they dont give a toss about punters.
You cant buy Petronas anything in the UK really, so why do they care, it is simply association with winning, branding.
Yet they sponsor teams in bike racing that win nothing, but are pushing their country, a different type of marketing.
TV is sold to the highest bidder and terrestrial companies get far, far, far more value for money making reality tripe like Love Island, Dancing with wheelchairs, celebrity idiots doing nothing interesting than they ever will from sport other than football.
It is our fault, if we watched it in big enough numbers it would warrant being there. But we didn't, and others bid more than we did. The stakeholder was greedy, just like the cricket, MotoGP, rugby, golf and every other rights holder is.
And if we were clever enough to tell SKY, BT and whoever else to stuff it and ALL stopped paying for stuff we shouldn't be paying for, simply because some greedy t
t says we have to, it would all come back.
but we are greedy, dumb, stupid and deserve everything we get.
I don't pay a tv licence and will NEVER pay a jot to SKY or anyone else. And I am doing nothing wrong other than streaming sport from mirror sites that are not hosting them. it might be dodgy and I get called a thief no end on forums like this, but that is cheap from people who are basically paying good money to a sport owned and run by billionaires who suddenly told you you had to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch it, because someone paid a lot of money to buy the tv rights. You do realise how dumb that is yes?
Sue me.
You cant buy Petronas anything in the UK really, so why do they care, it is simply association with winning, branding.
Yet they sponsor teams in bike racing that win nothing, but are pushing their country, a different type of marketing.
TV is sold to the highest bidder and terrestrial companies get far, far, far more value for money making reality tripe like Love Island, Dancing with wheelchairs, celebrity idiots doing nothing interesting than they ever will from sport other than football.
It is our fault, if we watched it in big enough numbers it would warrant being there. But we didn't, and others bid more than we did. The stakeholder was greedy, just like the cricket, MotoGP, rugby, golf and every other rights holder is.
And if we were clever enough to tell SKY, BT and whoever else to stuff it and ALL stopped paying for stuff we shouldn't be paying for, simply because some greedy t
t says we have to, it would all come back.but we are greedy, dumb, stupid and deserve everything we get.
I don't pay a tv licence and will NEVER pay a jot to SKY or anyone else. And I am doing nothing wrong other than streaming sport from mirror sites that are not hosting them. it might be dodgy and I get called a thief no end on forums like this, but that is cheap from people who are basically paying good money to a sport owned and run by billionaires who suddenly told you you had to pay hundreds of pounds a year to watch it, because someone paid a lot of money to buy the tv rights. You do realise how dumb that is yes?
Sue me.
Those who run golf are getting very worried about the effect of falling TV audiences.
As are those who run cricket.
Because of that, we have seen the return to free to air tournaments of some major tournaments that had migrated to pay TV only.
I actually think that pay TV in the Sky model is also on borrowed time. So, already we are seeing sports beginning to exploit other options such as internet streaming etc.
As are those who run cricket.
Because of that, we have seen the return to free to air tournaments of some major tournaments that had migrated to pay TV only.
I actually think that pay TV in the Sky model is also on borrowed time. So, already we are seeing sports beginning to exploit other options such as internet streaming etc.
Eric Mc said:
Those who run golf are getting very worried about the effect of falling TV audiences.
As are those who run cricket.
Because of that, we have seen the return to free to air tournaments of some major tournaments that had migrated to pay TV only.
I actually think that pay TV in the Sky model is also on borrowed time. So, already we are seeing sports beginning to exploit other options such as internet streaming etc.
The PGA aren't that bothered - they decided not to renew their deal with Sky and went with Elevensports. They might get a few £ more for the rights, but have a tiny audience (Elevensports has no smart Tv app, no carriage deal with Sky or Virgin and doesn't support AirPlay2/Chromecast yet, so can only be viewed on mobile/tablet/pc) .As are those who run cricket.
Because of that, we have seen the return to free to air tournaments of some major tournaments that had migrated to pay TV only.
I actually think that pay TV in the Sky model is also on borrowed time. So, already we are seeing sports beginning to exploit other options such as internet streaming etc.
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