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cuprabob

14,621 posts

214 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
tigerkoi said:
Stan the Bat said:
cuprabob said:
//j17 said:
Yes, and the VW buy-out of Red Bull one, and the Mercedes pulling out of F1 at the end of the 2017 season one...
Edited by //j17 on Monday 9th July 13:44
If my memory serves me right, Eddie said that Mercedes were going to.lose the Petronas sponsorship imminently.

I do.like Eddie but in small doses smile
His piece on McLaren and i/v with Zak Brown were great.
I missed that! Any chance of a summary? Keen to know how that went smile
He roughly said that it was a cock up and ZB was giving jobs to his mates(De Ferran is his mate) and Vandoorne was only in the job as he is the boyfriend of De ferran's daughter.
That's actually a very good summary smile
I'll add that ZB must have been dizzy after the interview as there was so much "spin' in response to EJ's questions.

Stan the Bat

8,918 posts

212 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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As I said somewhere else ZB really is a bullstter--don't hold much hope whilst he is running it.

Stan the Bat

8,918 posts

212 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Fortitude said:
THANKS to everybody for the discussion, very interesting. Found this online article from a couple of days ago.

It is worth reading as it confirms what some of the discussions on here.

Today's press conference with Zak Brown, Vijay Mallya, Guenther Steiner and Claire William
NEWS STORY
06/07/2018

https://www.pitpass.com/62290/British-GP-Friday-Pr...
Good comment from a Peter Rickitt at the bottom of the report.

Stan the Bat

8,918 posts

212 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Still don't know why Mallya hasn't been arrested yet ?

Vaud

50,496 posts

155 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
Still don't know why Mallya hasn't been arrested yet ?
He's fighting an extradition order:

https://www.firstpost.com/business/vijay-mallya-ex...

Has he committed crimes in the UK?

Stan the Bat

8,918 posts

212 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Vaud said:
Stan the Bat said:
Still don't know why Mallya hasn't been arrested yet ?
He's fighting an extradition order:

https://www.firstpost.com/business/vijay-mallya-ex...

Has he committed crimes in the UK?
Yes, he put Paul di Resta in the car. tongue out

cuprabob

14,621 posts

214 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
Yes, he put Paul di Resta in the car. tongue out
rofl

Vaud

50,496 posts

155 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
Yes, he put Paul di Resta in the car. tongue out
Very harsh, but quite funny.

The error he made wasn't hiring di Resta - it was failing to put a "no talking" clause to his contract.

tigerkoi

2,927 posts

198 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
tigerkoi said:
Stan the Bat said:
cuprabob said:
//j17 said:
Yes, and the VW buy-out of Red Bull one, and the Mercedes pulling out of F1 at the end of the 2017 season one...
Edited by //j17 on Monday 9th July 13:44
If my memory serves me right, Eddie said that Mercedes were going to.lose the Petronas sponsorship imminently.

I do.like Eddie but in small doses smile
His piece on McLaren and i/v with Zak Brown were great.
I missed that! Any chance of a summary? Keen to know how that went smile
He roughly said that it was a cock up and ZB was giving jobs to his mates(De Ferran is his mate) and Vandoorne was only in the job as he is the boyfriend of De ferran's daughter.
Thank you. It’s interesting but I’m sure I did read somewhere that ZB and de Ferran weren’t actually that well known to each other and this is more a short term consultancy thing, whilst ZB tries and shores up his position as fully accountable for the racing side of things. That could be incorrect, but something read elsewhere.

Vandoorne. A top-class solo sportsman, like a tennis player, cyclist, or indeed a winning F1 driver, often I think have to exhibit significant cognitive skills, innate intelligence; being in the saddle, or an F1 cockpit or out on the court - the problem solving is often down to them alone, regardless of the supporting engineers, doctors, managers, coaches. Team sports, you can hide, others can save your neck in the clutch. With SvD, and referencing the documentary again, maybe it’s just me, but the lad just didn’t look confident. Like, “I want to be a racing driver, but I’m overwhelmed”. Doing what he was told to meet someone else’s target rather than aim for his own (higher) ones. Unsure of how to get the ‘sociotropy’ balance right - being nice and interpersonal with the engineers etc but developing enough autonomy to focus on ruthless self control and individual achievement. At all cost. His responses on feedback about trim or steering column length lacking in specificity and at odds with say what the top guys like Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton have: an almost savant ability to totally recall exact details on the track, issues with suspension travel, millimetres here and there. Raw brain computational power.

Maybe SvD is seen as someone they want to keep investing in. Cheap, and regardless of being outperformed by Alonso, a stable metric that they’d rather not change now as they wrestle with other engineering factors from a weak baseline. And if that’s the case, and if people believe that the majority of high-line sports performance is in the head, and if de Ferran has a burgeoning knowledge of the lad, then he might be partly on board to help him perform more. “... so how’s it going with my daughter!? Only kidding, son. So in ‘98 when I was in CART suffering on the Goodyears I started to look at this....”. If they can get him into the points as Alonso is doing at the moment, then it might help everyone breathe more easily as the season passes by.

But then again a brutal decision could be forthcoming, the seat is filled by another hot shoe and the yacht parties and glamour life evaporates.

tigerkoi

2,927 posts

198 months

Tuesday 10th July 2018
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Vaud said:
Has he committed crimes in the UK?
His hair is an acquired taste however! Maybe there’s a by law somewhere that’s forbidden that particular style of mullet since 1987. But I think it looks swish! spin

Dr Z

3,396 posts

171 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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About Stoffel, there was a very insightful article about his strengths/weaknesses from a driving POV. Unfortunately it is subscription only.

It outlines quite nicely what his problems are with the McLaren car and why he looks ordinary compared to Alonso.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vettel-clone-hi...

And I must say it tallies well with the limited GPS data I have seen of him too.

Apparently his feedback had been quite important in driving some development parts for the car, and I remember it was reported the first time he had a chance on the car when he subbed for Alonso at Bahrain 2016, he quickly diagnosed an issue that two experienced drivers in JB and FA had not spotted. He'd probably make a fantastic test driver and he's also a good benchmark for the car's performance. Fernando can drive around problems better than Stoffel, but you know when Stoffel starts performing, the car is coming good. There are drivers that have a higher peak in a good car, but perform below par in an average/poor car. There are drivers who perform better in a poor car than in a good/great car--their peak is not quite as high as another in a good car. The question that remains is, given a good car, can Stoffel match or surpass Alonso? Are McLaren willing to find out?

Europa1

10,923 posts

188 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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tigerkoi said:
Vaud said:
Has he committed crimes in the UK?
His hair is an acquired taste however! Maybe there’s a by law somewhere that’s forbidden that particular style of mullet since 1987. But I think it looks swish! spin
In these days of austerity, the Fashion Police no longer have the resources to tackle all crimes; Eddie Jordan's shirts and David Coulthard's unnecessarily tight white jeans are a drain on their manpower.

Stan the Bat

8,918 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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EJ's hair is also a bit of a criminal act.

suffolk009

5,399 posts

165 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
EJ's hair is also a bit of a criminal act.
I don't think that hair is his.

Stan the Bat

8,918 posts

212 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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suffolk009 said:
Stan the Bat said:
EJ's hair is also a bit of a criminal act.
I don't think that hair is his.
Notice the word 'act'. wink

cuprabob

14,621 posts

214 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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suffolk009 said:
Stan the Bat said:
EJ's hair is also a bit of a criminal act.
I don't think that hair is his.
I believe it is his hair. He has the receipt to prove it smile

Vaud

50,496 posts

155 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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It’s a case for the RSPCA if anything...

DanielSan

18,793 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th July 2018
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cuprabob said:
I believe it is his hair. He has the receipt to prove it smile
He’s got 4 or 5 hairs that he uses in rotation so it looks like it la growing and being cut again

cgt2

7,100 posts

188 months

Thursday 12th July 2018
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Well known he wears an expensive syrup. It looks more convincing than this famous combover.

pozi

1,723 posts

187 months

Saturday 14th July 2018
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It seems the rumours McLaren are struggling to retain staff has been made official wink

https://careers.mclaren.com/go/Racing/724201/



Edited by pozi on Saturday 14th July 13:36