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Vaud said:
There is probably an ability for them to ask for a mid-season change, but at a guess it would require all other teams to consent.
The new FIA/Liberty world seems quite pragmatic. Maybe introduce a post summer break option for teams to change their ratio allocation once.
I have a recollection that when fixed ratios were first introduced each team had a once a year opportunity to change them. However, reading through the technical regs for 2018 I can't see any option in there so either I was mistaken or it has been removed.The new FIA/Liberty world seems quite pragmatic. Maybe introduce a post summer break option for teams to change their ratio allocation once.
Vaud said:
Sam993 said:
It's a yoke because this sport is "a pinnacle of engineering not a spec series" and you should let engineers extract as much performance as possible (as most claim on here), i.e. if they were able to use different gear ratios each race they would be even quicker. Gears must be important since McLaren went with gears that aren't tall enough presumably expecting performance implications.
PS IndyCar, the nasty spec series use custom gearing.
And if the engineers and teams wanted it, wouldn't they be campaigning and pressuring for that change? I haven't heard any noise on the topic since it's introduction (versus, say, the PU constraints) PS IndyCar, the nasty spec series use custom gearing.
It only seems to be a McLaren failing.
There is probably an ability for them to ask for a mid-season change, but at a guess it would require all other teams to consent.
The new FIA/Liberty world seems quite pragmatic. Maybe introduce a post summer break option for teams to change their ratio allocation once.
Then the series would be sponsored by Miele or Dyson, for sure.HustleRussell said:
8 ratios should obviously be plenty, Indycar only have 6 and have to cover a wider range of circuit types.
It's not about a number of gears but gearing of each gear. Each circuit has a unique configuration and usually gears were set to allow for the fastest acceleration out of the most critical corners. I get that these PU's might be so torquey that it's less relevant but it''s always going to be compromised one way or the other. I find it ridiculous honestly. I think I'm going to switch to FE since they at least are doing their own thing instead of trying to be something they aern't.Sam993 said:
HustleRussell said:
8 ratios should obviously be plenty, Indycar only have 6 and have to cover a wider range of circuit types.
It's not about a number of gears but gearing of each gear. Each circuit has a unique configuration and usually gears were set to allow for the fastest acceleration out of the most critical corners. I get that these PU's might be so torquey that it's less relevant but it''s always going to be compromised one way or the other. I find it ridiculous honestly. I think I'm going to switch to FE since they at least are doing their own thing instead of trying to be something they aern't.Enjoy FE, I may see you on the other side from time to time.
Vaud said:
Sam993 said:
If engineers got what they wanted they'd all now be running CVT's Then the series would be sponsored by Miele or Dyson, for sure.
Oh god not CVTs. Then the series would be sponsored by Miele or Dyson, for sure.
HustleRussell said:
Sam993 said:
HustleRussell said:
8 ratios should obviously be plenty, Indycar only have 6 and have to cover a wider range of circuit types.
It's not about a number of gears but gearing of each gear. Each circuit has a unique configuration and usually gears were set to allow for the fastest acceleration out of the most critical corners. I get that these PU's might be so torquey that it's less relevant but it''s always going to be compromised one way or the other. I find it ridiculous honestly. I think I'm going to switch to FE since they at least are doing their own thing instead of trying to be something they aern't.Enjoy FE, I may see you on the other side once from time to time.
Sam993 said:
HustleRussell said:
Sam993 said:
HustleRussell said:
8 ratios should obviously be plenty, Indycar only have 6 and have to cover a wider range of circuit types.
It's not about a number of gears but gearing of each gear. Each circuit has a unique configuration and usually gears were set to allow for the fastest acceleration out of the most critical corners. I get that these PU's might be so torquey that it's less relevant but it''s always going to be compromised one way or the other. I find it ridiculous honestly. I think I'm going to switch to FE since they at least are doing their own thing instead of trying to be something they aern't.Enjoy FE, I may see you on the other side once from time to time.
I'm defensive of my sport and when someone wades in with such strong opinions on a subject which literally hasn't been a problem for five seasons but for McLaren's well publicised incompetence, it's annoying.
Enough with the knee-jerk rule changes.
Ironically and appropriately it never rains when it pours for them:
"Fernando Alonso is using a new McLaren chassis today after his heavy crash last weekend in Spa. It's a chassis that lacks upgrades, one that he used all the way back in winter testing and the first few races of the season, so Alonso may struggle for performance even more than usual."
A back of the grid car that now got an outdated chassis too!
"Fernando Alonso is using a new McLaren chassis today after his heavy crash last weekend in Spa. It's a chassis that lacks upgrades, one that he used all the way back in winter testing and the first few races of the season, so Alonso may struggle for performance even more than usual."
A back of the grid car that now got an outdated chassis too!
Frimley111R said:
Ironically and appropriately it never rains when it pours for them:
"Fernando Alonso is using a new McLaren chassis today after his heavy crash last weekend in Spa. It's a chassis that lacks upgrades, one that he used all the way back in winter testing and the first few races of the season, so Alonso may struggle for performance even more than usual."
A back of the grid car that now got an outdated chassis too!
So they chose that chassis over the later one Stoffel rejected then. Must've found something. "Fernando Alonso is using a new McLaren chassis today after his heavy crash last weekend in Spa. It's a chassis that lacks upgrades, one that he used all the way back in winter testing and the first few races of the season, so Alonso may struggle for performance even more than usual."
A back of the grid car that now got an outdated chassis too!
Not looking like a world beating team by any measure are they.
Frimley111R said:
Ironically and appropriately it never rains when it pours for them:
"Fernando Alonso is using a new McLaren chassis today after his heavy crash last weekend in Spa. It's a chassis that lacks upgrades, one that he used all the way back in winter testing and the first few races of the season, so Alonso may struggle for performance even more than usual."
A back of the grid car that now got an outdated chassis too!
thats ok, Stoffel says the car hasn't improved all year anyway"Fernando Alonso is using a new McLaren chassis today after his heavy crash last weekend in Spa. It's a chassis that lacks upgrades, one that he used all the way back in winter testing and the first few races of the season, so Alonso may struggle for performance even more than usual."
A back of the grid car that now got an outdated chassis too!
Sam993 said:
Does anyone know how insurance works in F1? Since Renault rear ended McLaren they should be at fault for it, or is it not how that works (might be a naive question but I must admit I've never looked into that).
Doesn't work like that, you're there at your own risk generally.Gaz. said:
Sam993 said:
Does anyone know how insurance works in F1? Since Renault rear ended McLaren they should be at fault for it, or is it not how that works (might be a naive question but I must admit I've never looked into that).
My God you have excelled yourself now, how the f
k do you even go through the day without suffocating? Gary29 said:
Sam993 said:
Does anyone know how insurance works in F1? Since Renault rear ended McLaren they should be at fault for it, or is it not how that works (might be a naive question but I must admit I've never looked into that).
Doesn't work like that, you're there at your own risk generally.
they could use ambulance chasers to get Hulkenberg to pay for the damage though (right Gaz[point]? this one's for you babe)Gaz. said:
Sam993 said:
Does anyone know how insurance works in F1? Since Renault rear ended McLaren they should be at fault for it, or is it not how that works (might be a naive question but I must admit I've never looked into that).
My God you have excelled yourself now, how the fk do you even go through the day without suffocating? Little harsh perhaps!
HustleRussell said:
Gaz. said:
Sam993 said:
Does anyone know how insurance works in F1? Since Renault rear ended McLaren they should be at fault for it, or is it not how that works (might be a naive question but I must admit I've never looked into that).
My God you have excelled yourself now, how the fk do you even go through the day without suffocating? Little harsh perhaps!
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