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Stan the Bat said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Europa1 said:
The Indy 500 adventure isn't looking too great at the moment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/48324633
I really do hope he/they completely fail at the whole thing.Strange indeed. Especially as a desire shared openly.
TheDeuce said:
Stan the Bat said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Europa1 said:
The Indy 500 adventure isn't looking too great at the moment: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/48324633
I really do hope he/they completely fail at the whole thing.Strange indeed. Especially as a desire shared openly.
It's sport, if you can't understand fans wanting some people to win and others to lose, that's pretty strange in itself.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Not really, I think Alonso is a complete arse and I don't think much of the latest incarnation of McLaren either. Therefore, I don't want to see him nor them succeed, especially when they think they can waltz in and beat everyone at the first time of trying.
It's sport, if you can't understand fans wanting some people to win and others to lose, that's pretty strange in itself.
I quite agree. About Alonso.It's sport, if you can't understand fans wanting some people to win and others to lose, that's pretty strange in itself.
If he fails and we're proven correct then I can take the positive. But spin it how you might, it is not ok to wish a team of people to fail. They're trying their utmost, and no matter how flawed their efforts may be, they do not 'deserve' to fail.
I'm a firm believer that sport is about debate ahead of the event, and judgement only after the event. As such, I don't wish for anything - certainly not for anyone to fail. The whole point of sport is to wait for the showdown, at which point they either fail or win. There is no sport if we wish the winners or losers were not there in the first place.
Edited by TheDeuce on Sunday 19th May 21:53
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Where's that picture of Nelson pointing HA-HA when you need it.
TheDeuce, stop posting utter drivel
As ever, you leave me feeling you're an acquired taste when it comes to your opinions and how you voice them. You do talk a a great deal of sense a lot of the time - regrettably, really. It enhances the chances of others listening to you when you let yourself down.TheDeuce, stop posting utter drivel
Wishing someone (an entire team..) to fail in sport? You think that is sporting? Please.
A bit like the entire city of Manchester last week, when they united in wishing the red half of Liverpool in failing?
If you want to be given a medal for seventh place in the egg and spoon race and trying hard then fair enough.
If I dislike someone and the way they play I’m allowed to want them to lose.
Sport it was it is, we each get our own thing out of it.
If you want to be given a medal for seventh place in the egg and spoon race and trying hard then fair enough.
If I dislike someone and the way they play I’m allowed to want them to lose.
Sport it was it is, we each get our own thing out of it.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
A bit like the entire city of Manchester last week, when they united in wishing the red half of Liverpool in failing?
If you want to be given a medal for seventh place in the egg and spoon race and trying hard then fair enough.
If I dislike someone and the way they play I’m allowed to want them to lose.
Sport it was it is, we each get our own thing out of it.
You are indeed allowed, just like the city of Manchester. It's your choice.If you want to be given a medal for seventh place in the egg and spoon race and trying hard then fair enough.
If I dislike someone and the way they play I’m allowed to want them to lose.
Sport it was it is, we each get our own thing out of it.
It's your choice how much respect you attract.
I'm not sure how your dislike for one man translates into wishing an entire team to fail. I would expect many people tried incredibly hard regardless of the man behind the wheel.
I don’t mind Alonso so much. I can see why some wouldn’t offer much support though.
I also get the ‘hope McLaren fail’ attitude too be honest. I’m not really a fan of the team. I think it stems from their projected arrogance in the Dennis days which has continued despite them being utterly dreadful for a long time now.
This continues with Zak Brown, who to my eyes has come across as incompetent.
I haven’t thought of their Indy car effort and had a mindset of hoping they fail, but as an extension of disliking the F1 team I can see how some may have that view.
Not followed the Indy project much. I imagine they’ve rebranded an Indy team rather than pulling too many of their own resources into creating from scratch. But it still seems a bit of a distraction from their F1 efforts.
You’d be surprised if Mercedes or Ferrari pulled off a serious Indy effort without a knock on effect, let alone a team with huge resources trying to still get back from back markers to best of the rest, let alone contenders.
I also get the ‘hope McLaren fail’ attitude too be honest. I’m not really a fan of the team. I think it stems from their projected arrogance in the Dennis days which has continued despite them being utterly dreadful for a long time now.
This continues with Zak Brown, who to my eyes has come across as incompetent.
I haven’t thought of their Indy car effort and had a mindset of hoping they fail, but as an extension of disliking the F1 team I can see how some may have that view.
Not followed the Indy project much. I imagine they’ve rebranded an Indy team rather than pulling too many of their own resources into creating from scratch. But it still seems a bit of a distraction from their F1 efforts.
You’d be surprised if Mercedes or Ferrari pulled off a serious Indy effort without a knock on effect, let alone a team with huge resources trying to still get back from back markers to best of the rest, let alone contenders.
The most annoying thing is the fact that we know Alonso could go out their in a good car and have a damn good chance of winning the Indy 500, barring the engine failure he would've certainly been in the fight at the end in 2017. Sadly Mclaren aren't Andretti and have made a complete arse of the whole situation. Operationally they just seem incompetent on every level recently.
Alex Zanardi has put it best on Twitter. Mclarens failings show that Indycar isn’t full of primitives, it’s full of talented guys. You can’t just expect to go over there and win....personally I think Mclaren and Alonso underestimated the amount of skill and knowledge to win. It’s shown Indycar and it’s teams in a very good light
37chevy said:
Alex Zanardi has put it best on Twitter. Mclarens failings show that Indycar isn’t full of primitives, it’s full of talented guys. You can’t just expect to go over there and win....personally I think Mclaren and Alonso underestimated the amount of skill and knowledge to win. It’s shown Indycar and it’s teams in a very good light
Under prepared and not battle proven.The loss of the whole day of practice Thursday was unforgivable. Whilst the team was announced in plenty of time when was it actually assembled?
37chevy said:
Alex Zanardi has put it best on Twitter. Mclarens failings show that Indycar isn’t full of primitives, it’s full of talented guys. You can’t just expect to go over there and win....personally I think Mclaren and Alonso underestimated the amount of skill and knowledge to win. It’s shown Indycar and it’s teams in a very good light
It illustrates just how important engineers are in racing.Goes to show how much knowledge and experience you need to be competitive in an almost spec formula.
Just doing Indy as a standalone team was too optimistic and I think they knew they that, they just couldn't get the deals done for a full season. They didn't understand the car, that was blatantly obvious when you hear about getting setups from other teams and adding expensive new suspension systems before the final run.
Next step?
If Alonso still wants that triple crown he needs to do at least a full season of ovals in Indycar with McLaren or go back to the previous approach or painting someone else's car.
Just doing Indy as a standalone team was too optimistic and I think they knew they that, they just couldn't get the deals done for a full season. They didn't understand the car, that was blatantly obvious when you hear about getting setups from other teams and adding expensive new suspension systems before the final run.
Next step?
If Alonso still wants that triple crown he needs to do at least a full season of ovals in Indycar with McLaren or go back to the previous approach or painting someone else's car.
37chevy said:
Alex Zanardi has put it best on Twitter. Mclarens failings show that Indycar isn’t full of primitives, it’s full of talented guys. You can’t just expect to go over there and win....personally I think Mclaren and Alonso underestimated the amount of skill and knowledge to win. It’s shown Indycar and it’s teams in a very good light
While I do agree with all of that, look at Kyle Kaiser in the Juncos - not even a sponsor on the car and they have qualified. It helps frame the size of McLaren's failure.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff