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HTP99 said:
I'm really confused; doesn't take much!!
I'm reading headlines that indicate he's out completely so is he out and finished or does he still have the shootout and if so when is it?
Main qualifying was on Saturday, where he failed and got bumped to the last row shootout, which was yesterday, where he also failed. So now he is definitely out out. 34th out of 36 entries, and only 33 get into the race.I'm reading headlines that indicate he's out completely so is he out and finished or does he still have the shootout and if so when is it?
Bright Halo said:
Did McLaren build the car from the ground up or is it an off the shelf thing?
I know the engine and gearbox are standard parts but what about the chassis and bodywork etc?
It's all standard chassis and bodywork made by Dallara. The teams just assemble it into a complete car and set it up. All the parts are standard.I know the engine and gearbox are standard parts but what about the chassis and bodywork etc?
thegreenhell said:
HTP99 said:
I'm really confused; doesn't take much!!
I'm reading headlines that indicate he's out completely so is he out and finished or does he still have the shootout and if so when is it?
Main qualifying was on Saturday, where he failed and got bumped to the last row shootout, which was yesterday, where he also failed. So now he is definitely out out. 34th out of 36 entries, and only 33 get into the race.I'm reading headlines that indicate he's out completely so is he out and finished or does he still have the shootout and if so when is it?
thegreenhell said:
Bright Halo said:
Did McLaren build the car from the ground up or is it an off the shelf thing?
I know the engine and gearbox are standard parts but what about the chassis and bodywork etc?
It's all standard chassis and bodywork made by Dallara. The teams just assemble it into a complete car and set it up. All the parts are standard.I know the engine and gearbox are standard parts but what about the chassis and bodywork etc?
Must be just the lack of knowledge and experience on how to set it up for an oval.
In 2017 it was an Andretti car painted as a McLaren so I suppose all the set up was done for them?
Bright Halo said:
thegreenhell said:
Bright Halo said:
Did McLaren build the car from the ground up or is it an off the shelf thing?
I know the engine and gearbox are standard parts but what about the chassis and bodywork etc?
It's all standard chassis and bodywork made by Dallara. The teams just assemble it into a complete car and set it up. All the parts are standard.I know the engine and gearbox are standard parts but what about the chassis and bodywork etc?
Must be just the lack of knowledge and experience on how to set it up for an oval.
In 2017 it was an Andretti car painted as a McLaren so I suppose all the set up was done for them?
Let’s not forget the whole field was covered by just over 2mph.
In terms of the cars, most is standard but there is a lot you can do with springs, dampers etc...and they make a huge difference. So much so Mclaren bought Andretti’s and Penskes setup overnight...you wouldn’t see that in F1!
andburg said:
Goes to show how much knowledge and experience you need to be competitive in an almost spec formula.
Just doing Indy as a standalone team was too optimistic and I think they knew they that, they just couldn't get the deals done for a full season. They didn't understand the car, that was blatantly obvious when you hear about getting setups from other teams and adding expensive new suspension systems before the final run.
Next step?
If Alonso still wants that triple crown he needs to do at least a full season of ovals in Indycar with McLaren or go back to the previous approach or painting someone else's car.
For those who didn’t know much about Indycar before it shows how competitive you need to be. You can’t simply throw money at it and expect to win, you’ve got to work hard for it. I like that.Just doing Indy as a standalone team was too optimistic and I think they knew they that, they just couldn't get the deals done for a full season. They didn't understand the car, that was blatantly obvious when you hear about getting setups from other teams and adding expensive new suspension systems before the final run.
Next step?
If Alonso still wants that triple crown he needs to do at least a full season of ovals in Indycar with McLaren or go back to the previous approach or painting someone else's car.
Killer2005 said:
I presume the picture was supposed to be wrong.
As an Alonso fan I still think he will come back to F1. Yes deluded but I can always hope.
Bob Fernley has left the Mclaren Indy team, his contract as president of the team was until the race next Sunday. https://www.autosport.com/indycar/news/143536/fern...
I think that's the first time I've heard his name mentioned anywhere since his appointment there. I guess he was just operating in the background, leaving the limelight to Alonso, De Ferran and Brown.
I wonder where he'll go next? Williams could do a lot worse than sign him up to help run the F1 team...
I wonder where he'll go next? Williams could do a lot worse than sign him up to help run the F1 team...
k up. McLaren do seem to be quite arrogant in their current place in motorsport.37chevy said:
andburg said:
Goes to show how much knowledge and experience you need to be competitive in an almost spec formula.
Just doing Indy as a standalone team was too optimistic and I think they knew they that, they just couldn't get the deals done for a full season. They didn't understand the car, that was blatantly obvious when you hear about getting setups from other teams and adding expensive new suspension systems before the final run.
Next step?
If Alonso still wants that triple crown he needs to do at least a full season of ovals in Indycar with McLaren or go back to the previous approach or painting someone else's car.
For those who didn’t know much about Indycar before it shows how competitive you need to be. You can’t simply throw money at it and expect to win, you’ve got to work hard for it. I like that.Just doing Indy as a standalone team was too optimistic and I think they knew they that, they just couldn't get the deals done for a full season. They didn't understand the car, that was blatantly obvious when you hear about getting setups from other teams and adding expensive new suspension systems before the final run.
Next step?
If Alonso still wants that triple crown he needs to do at least a full season of ovals in Indycar with McLaren or go back to the previous approach or painting someone else's car.
Feelings of Alonso to one side - like any top drawer driver he polarises, as does Hamilton, Vettel...even Senna isn’t beatified by everyone, as sacrilegious as that may seem - I think this speaks most poorly about how McLaren are being run these days.
Alonso can be competitive in Indy. We know that already. So to have De Ferrari and Brown fiddle around and convince all around them that this was viable, to just turn up at five minutes to midnight and do their thing, was supremely misguided, to put it politely.
It’s almost unforgivable considering the pedigree De Ferran has in the series, and telling that he took to the conference afterwards to apologise profusely (but stage managed) to Alonso over this. A waste of time.
I knew Fernley had been signed up after his exit from Force India, but I couldn’t quite understand why he was running the Indy operation. It would have made sense to keep him on F1 duty and De Ferran spend his time for the last few months getting the groundwork and politics complete over in the States.
McLaren - just smacks of shambolic organisation and poor decision making. Sums up the last few years.
tigerkoi said:
Very much so, agreed.
....De Ferran......cut down to save page space!
That’s the bit that gets me. De Ferren MUST know how hard Indy is, I know he’s been out of it a few years and this year is insanely competitive but surely out of everyone he should know who to hire, what kit they need to be competitive etc. ....De Ferran......cut down to save page space!
Bright Halo said:
I see Bob Fearnley has left McLaren.
He was in charge of their Indy 500 challenge.
Maybe don’t read too much into that though as his contract was only for this years Indy which is now obviously over.
Fernley was recruited in November. By my reckoning, he had zilch experience in Indy, well at least for the last ten years when he was at Force India, and therefore the appointment was utterly baffling in the first place. He was in charge of their Indy 500 challenge.
Maybe don’t read too much into that though as his contract was only for this years Indy which is now obviously over.
Sure, they’ve parted company, but for him to have had a sixth month engagement purely to go at Indy, well that tells you all you need to know about the perplexing and dumb way McLaren approached this.
Fernley - by all accounts, a good guy. But involved in something that was over his head experience wise.
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