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I think that things went pear-shaped for a myriad of reasons.
The old pay structure depended on success bonuses. Suddenly falling from being a top-flight winning team to a bottom-feeder meant experienced staff went elsewhere. Ron’s view was that only he was bigger than the company, so let them leave. Letting Newey go was the first big step towards their ultimate failure.
So then the egos takeover, other people keep their heads down and operate in a vacuum - basic left-hand; right-hand communication starts to fail.
I think the new blood has started to recognise this and begin to change things.
But the proof of the pudding with become clear on 17th March.
The old pay structure depended on success bonuses. Suddenly falling from being a top-flight winning team to a bottom-feeder meant experienced staff went elsewhere. Ron’s view was that only he was bigger than the company, so let them leave. Letting Newey go was the first big step towards their ultimate failure.
So then the egos takeover, other people keep their heads down and operate in a vacuum - basic left-hand; right-hand communication starts to fail.
I think the new blood has started to recognise this and begin to change things.
But the proof of the pudding with become clear on 17th March.
I'd be surprised if mclaren have made such a big jump (back of the field to top of mid). Think it'll become clear that just making the mid field will be a good result - competition is much stronger this year.
They'll do well to mix it with alfa, racing point, Renault and haas tbh. Do that and I'd see it as real progress
They'll do well to mix it with alfa, racing point, Renault and haas tbh. Do that and I'd see it as real progress
Oi_Oi_Savaloy said:
I'd be surprised if mclaren have made such a big jump (back of the field to top of mid). Think it'll become clear that just making the mid field will be a good result - competition is much stronger this year.
They'll do well to mix it with alfa, racing point, Renault and haas tbh. Do that and I'd see it as real progress
Yep, I'd agree with that. Saying that their have been no big claims being made from McLaren's side, just getting on with it.They'll do well to mix it with alfa, racing point, Renault and haas tbh. Do that and I'd see it as real progress
Real progress with be keeping up the development pace through the season and staying with the midfield.
HighwayStar said:
Yep, I'd agree with that. Saying that their have been no big claims being made from McLaren's side, just getting on with it.
Real progress with be keeping up the development pace through the season and staying with the midfield.
Totally agree highway. If they can get their team structure right, for the long term, keep advancing/progressing the car, get their in race strategy right and look racy (technical term!) then it'll be a good season imo. But them saying (not that they have I hasten to add) 'we'll be top 5 or thereabouts' will simply make people roll their eyes. Get key settled, get team structure and inter dept comms sorted, get as close to their engine supplier as poss and really work the car to its tru potential and understand its weaknesses for the evolution next year Real progress with be keeping up the development pace through the season and staying with the midfield.
James Key start date finally agreed with Toro Rosso:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/key-mclaren-sta...
March 25th.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/key-mclaren-sta...
March 25th.
Oi_Oi_Savaloy said:
Totally agree highway. If they can get their team structure right, for the long term, keep advancing/progressing the car, get their in race strategy right and look racy (technical term!) then it'll be a good season imo. But them saying (not that they have I hasten to add) 'we'll be top 5 or thereabouts' will simply make people roll their eyes. Get key settled, get team structure and inter dept comms sorted, get as close to their engine supplier as poss and really work the car to its tru potential and understand its weaknesses for the evolution next year
They were 6th in the WCC last year. As a customer team, they will need to go some to better Renault, so 5th has to be their target. It was good to hear Gil de Ferran say yesterday that they are humbled and simply want to move forward as a team.
Three treated after McLaren garage fire in Barcelona
By: Adam Cooper
Along with Racing Point and Williams, McLaren was doing some extra running on a filming day, including some laps in conjunction with a McLaren road car.
A statement from the team noted: "There was a small fire in the garage during the team's private filming day. The fire was quickly extinguished by the team, and circuit emergency services and medical teams attended immediately in support.
"Three team members were taken to the medical centre for treatment and were released shortly after."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-fire-ba...
By: Adam Cooper
Along with Racing Point and Williams, McLaren was doing some extra running on a filming day, including some laps in conjunction with a McLaren road car.
A statement from the team noted: "There was a small fire in the garage during the team's private filming day. The fire was quickly extinguished by the team, and circuit emergency services and medical teams attended immediately in support.
"Three team members were taken to the medical centre for treatment and were released shortly after."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-fire-ba...
Three McLaren mechanics treated for injuries after garage fire
By Telegraph Sport
22 February 2019 • 8:12pm
FULL article here;
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2019/02/22/t...
These two paragraphs caught my eye;
"It is unclear how the fire started at this stage, although the British team have launched an investigation to identify the cause of the blaze."
"In 2012, a fire broke out in the Williams garage at the same venue in the moments after the Spanish Grand Prix. People were injured in the incident, although none seriously."
By Telegraph Sport
22 February 2019 • 8:12pm
FULL article here;
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2019/02/22/t...
These two paragraphs caught my eye;
"It is unclear how the fire started at this stage, although the British team have launched an investigation to identify the cause of the blaze."
"In 2012, a fire broke out in the Williams garage at the same venue in the moments after the Spanish Grand Prix. People were injured in the incident, although none seriously."
HustleRussell said:
McLaren are going to put Alonso in the car (in-season testing). He's an 'ambassador'.
Does that mean Jenson Button isn't an ambassador anymore?
I'd image so. He's Honda's boy now.Does that mean Jenson Button isn't an ambassador anymore?
https://www.autosport.com/gt/news/140967/button-to...
HighwayStar said:
HustleRussell said:
McLaren are going to put Alonso in the car (in-season testing). He's an 'ambassador'.
Does that mean Jenson Button isn't an ambassador anymore?
I'd image so. He's Honda's boy now.Does that mean Jenson Button isn't an ambassador anymore?
https://www.autosport.com/gt/news/140967/button-to...
HustleRussell said:
HighwayStar said:
HustleRussell said:
McLaren are going to put Alonso in the car (in-season testing). He's an 'ambassador'.
Does that mean Jenson Button isn't an ambassador anymore?
I'd image so. He's Honda's boy now.Does that mean Jenson Button isn't an ambassador anymore?
https://www.autosport.com/gt/news/140967/button-to...
I actually fully expected you to come back with a so what, Alonso has been driving for Toyota and still an 'ambassador' for McLaren.
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