The Official 2018 German Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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LDN said:
ash73 said:
Great drive by Lewis, but nobody defending because "we're not in the same race", Merc instructing Bottas to hold station as soon as he gets alongside, and Ferrari swapping their cars... F1 is just b
ks mobile advertising hoardings driving round in circles.
Tip: don’t watch it. ks mobile advertising hoardings driving round in circles.Dr Z said:
It was certainly very interesting strategy to launch one's car off the exit kerb and put oneself out of qualifying so one could do the faster tyre strategy in the race and be in a position to captalise on a late race change of weather. The merit of this cunning plan would have gone right over the head of even the great Professor. All credit to Hamilton there. 
Anyways, a pattern seems to be emerging whereby the Merc seems better on the tyres in the last few races than Ferrari.
The quali has nothing to do with the race. Hamilton did the best he could. Mercedes then got the calls right both on strategy and stopping teammates fighting, which may have thrown away the win like Ferrari did. If you're going to question the impact of random events then almost every race could have the same said about it - if someone didn't crash, if person x didn't push so hard at the start etc. Mercedes and Hamilton did a better job today, from a bad position (ask any team if they want to start from the front or from where Hamilton started).Hungrymc said:
Kimi did only get ahead of Seb for that reason. He’d driven to the tactics well and was ahead on track with Seb unable to pass.... Ferrari then made the right call to favour the driver in the title hunt...
Or do you really think it was only their unwavering commitment to fairness that made them tell Kimi to give the place to Seb ?
<snip>- it’s too tight to allow team mates to trip each other up.... I can see that, but it seems some are blind to it with their favored teams.
It was not simple tactics that Kimi got ahead, I think that Ferrari made an error in leaving Seb out too long in the 1st stint allowing Kimi to get within his pit window. Then they dithered about for several laps during which both Kimi and Seb destroyed their tyres trying to race. Perhaps they have more of a commitment to fairness than some other teams. Or do you really think it was only their unwavering commitment to fairness that made them tell Kimi to give the place to Seb ?
<snip>- it’s too tight to allow team mates to trip each other up.... I can see that, but it seems some are blind to it with their favored teams.
Anyways, a pattern seems to be emerging whereby the Merc seems better on the tyres in the last few races than Ferrari.
Dr Z said:
LDN said:
Dr Z said:
Hungrymc said:
Dr Z said:
Vettel was comfortably ahead in the race after qualifying ahead of Kimi.
I know we all see these things differently, but I’ve never seen a car that’s stuck behind another being described as being comfortably ahead.I must have been watching a different race. Kimi only got ahead of Seb because he was given pit priority to try and undercut some cars ahead.
Vettel driving off the track was also on merit, or lack thereof. He had a gap behind him and was in control. But pressure and changing conditions don’t mix with Vettel.
Hungrymc said:
Kimi did only get ahead of Seb for that reason. He’d driven to the tactics well and was ahead on track with Seb unable to pass.... Ferrari then made the right call to favour the driver in the title hunt...
Or do you really think it was only their unwavering commitment to fairness that made them tell Kimi to give the place to Seb ?
<snip>- it’s too tight to allow team mates to trip each other up.... I can see that, but it seems some are blind to it with their favored teams.
It was not simple tactics that Kimi got ahead, I think that Ferrari made an error in leaving Seb out too long in the 1st stint allowing Kimi to get within his pit window. Then they dithered about for several laps during which both Kimi and Seb destroyed their tyres trying to race. Perhaps they have more of a commitment to fairness than some other teams. Or do you really think it was only their unwavering commitment to fairness that made them tell Kimi to give the place to Seb ?
<snip>- it’s too tight to allow team mates to trip each other up.... I can see that, but it seems some are blind to it with their favored teams.
Anyways, a pattern seems to be emerging whereby the Merc seems better on the tyres in the last few races than Ferrari.
Strategy wise, Hamilton had to choose to stay on track or not... he made the right call.
For once Ferrari made the right call to let Kimi race Seb but they realised that their number one driver couldn't do it on his own and was throwing his toys out of the pram so they had to ask Kimi to let him pass. Consequence of it: Vettel crashed as he wanted to show off how much faster he was than Kimi to make his point.
Mercedes couldn't risk to loose points in the championship by letting their drivers fighting on a dry/wet track, especially with a driver like Hamilton who will not give an inch of space if he can smell the win. Shame but very logic decision and pretty sure Hamilton will not forget Bottas for his gentleman behaviour. He didn't forget last year in Budapest.
Edited by E34-3.2 on Sunday 22 July 21:32
Dr Z said:
It was certainly very interesting strategy to launch one's car off the exit kerb and put oneself out of qualifying
Love to see you successfully wrestling an 800kg car with a ton of downforce through a corner at Christ knows what speed while experiencing sudden loss of gear shift and power steeringmattyn1 said:
Well that was fun. I enjoyed that race!
+1, great to see a ''race, we need more rain/intermittent rain showers to liven the races up.Anyone else notice how incredibly narrow the circuit is on the last section into the stadium, the long distance shots made it look as narrow as Cadwell!
rallycross said:
+1, great to see a ''race, we need more rain/intermittent rain showers to liven the races up.
Anyone else notice how incredibly narrow the circuit is on the last section into the stadium, the long distance shots made it look as narrow as Cadwell!
Or could it be that most modern F1 tracks are incredibly and unnecessarily wide?Anyone else notice how incredibly narrow the circuit is on the last section into the stadium, the long distance shots made it look as narrow as Cadwell!
mattyn1 said:
Well that was fun. I enjoyed that race!
Indeed. I thought it great. Lots of action mid field. I didn't see the TV until just now but followed it on live timing. The gap and swapping placed behind the Ferraris, Merc and RB seemed tremendous, some of it shown on Ch4. It must have been great for those who went there. Something happening all down the field. Good start by Bottas on the dodgy side of the track and then drove well to keep Kimi behind.
I didn't realise that Hamilton ignored the box, box, box (and what appeared to be in, in, in, in, in, in, in). Good call.
I feel sorry for the crowd losing a home win that seemed to be guaranteed. I don't feel sorry for Vettel, well not that much anyway. His mistake. I know he was being pushed but then that's racing.
As you say; fun.
NRS said:
Sam993 said:
Sam993 said:
(WHO IS SHE, I NEED TO KNOW please)
I've found it. It's Anna Fleischhauer from RTL. And she has a twin sister, wowaweewa!Dr Z said:
Then they dithered about for several laps during which both Kimi and Seb destroyed their tyres trying to race. Perhaps they have more of a commitment to fairness than some other teams.
Lol.... yep, the last word in equal status drivers and some weird deffenition of fairness. I watched the C4 highlights. Genuinely horrible to watch (and listen to) the Seb error again. Hell of a penalty for a minor mistake.
Terrible conditions at that phase. Lewis must have been taking lots of risks.
NRS said:
The quali has nothing to do with the race
But that's the thing that allowed him to start on the harder compound and go as long as he did in the first stint while the other front runners couldn't make the soft work in quali and were on a tyre that was not a good to do the 1st stint for the range required to cover off a rain threat. This is my point.If he had had a normal quali he would be pretty much on the exact position as the other guys having to pit earlier than they'd like.
That's my 2 pence.
Sam993 said:
NRS said:
Sam993 said:
Sam993 said:
(WHO IS SHE, I NEED TO KNOW please)
I've found it. It's Anna Fleischhauer from RTL. And she has a twin sister, wowaweewa![fapping intensifies]
HustleRussell said:
Dr Z said:
It was certainly very interesting strategy to launch one's car off the exit kerb and put oneself out of qualifying
Love to see you successfully wrestling an 800kg car with a ton of downforce through a corner at Christ knows what speed while experiencing sudden loss of gear shift and power steeringIt was simply a masterclass from Lewis and another example of Vettel buckling under pressure. But fear not Z, the Ferrari is the faster car: and as long as we get less rain, less pressure and as long as Kimi continues to move over almost every race; Vettel is still in with a shout!
All this accusations of bias, I'm flattered to be held to a higher standard here, but c'mon guys let me have some fun too! It's very boring in the unbiased side! Gary C said:
swisstoni said:
HustleRussell said:
Evangelion said:
Rubbish. He didn't win. It happened to him.
The things people say who have no idea about racing or competition.
ks. I've been watching F1 since before most of you lot were born and let me tell you, it was better than today's apology for an F1 can even dream of being.Hamilton would have had to be a total idiot not to win today.
Only the third race this year I've watched twice this year (live and highlights), God I love a good F1 race!
Pure entertainment, all the family were jumping up and down right through the race, the last 20 were just fantastic.
Daft question, what did KR call the Haas? "AHH fk, the [sounds like flapper] blocked me!"
Pure entertainment, all the family were jumping up and down right through the race, the last 20 were just fantastic.
Daft question, what did KR call the Haas? "AHH f
k, the [sounds like flapper] blocked me!"Derek Smith said:
LDN said:
What a load of rubbish.
The track is damp; they have a 1-2 on the cards and their cars are battling; after two or three close corners, the call goes in to hold. What’s bad or extraordinary about that?
Any team would have done the same; but earlier.
Not sure I agree with that assessment. Whilst some teams would push a favourite, according to Merc they are pristine and allow their drivers to race. The track is damp; they have a 1-2 on the cards and their cars are battling; after two or three close corners, the call goes in to hold. What’s bad or extraordinary about that?
Any team would have done the same; but earlier.
Not only that. Bottas would have been in lead. He'd earned it. He didn't mess up his qually. I feel sorry for him.
The call might have been because the team felt that LH might be vulnerable to Raikk if he dropped to second. But then, there might have been many reasons. We can't call.
But Bottas was on fresher tyres and deserved to be given a chance.
That said, he gets paid a lot of money to drive shotgun for LH. Did I read that both he and LH have signed for next season? If so, I wonder what Bottas' contract says about equal #1 status.
I felt sorry for Vettel when he lost it, but now I'm not. He did it all himself. Bottas, on the other hand . . .
(I'm no fanboy of Bottas by the way.)
I was up at Brooklands today and Mercedes-Benz World is the place to be when there's a Merc victory. I decided to come home. I'm a bit miffed now.
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