The Official 2018 German Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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Evangelion said:
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ks. I've been watching F1 since before most of you lot were born and let me tell you, it was better than today's apology for an F1 can even dream of being.
How do you know how old we are?ks. I've been watching F1 since before most of you lot were born and let me tell you, it was better than today's apology for an F1 can even dream of being.What was so great about 70's, 80's and even 90's races that had high attrition, people being lapped multiple times and no real competition? Oh, and some rubbish pay drivers. Oh, and deaths in the 60s and 70s.
We are in an era of races that are determined by consistency and skill by a very good field.
Rose tinted glasses? F1 evolves. It is different now, «for sure» but we have some excellent racing.
Dr Z said:
LDN said:
Dr Z said:
Hungrymc said:
Dr Z said:
Vettel was comfortably ahead in the race after qualifying ahead of Kimi.
I know we all see these things differently, but I’ve never seen a car that’s stuck behind another being described as being comfortably ahead.I must have been watching a different race. Kimi only got ahead of Seb because he was given pit priority to try and undercut some cars ahead.
Vettel driving off the track was also on merit, or lack thereof. He had a gap behind him and was in control. But pressure and changing conditions don’t mix with Vettel.
Hungrymc said:
Kimi did only get ahead of Seb for that reason. He’d driven to the tactics well and was ahead on track with Seb unable to pass.... Ferrari then made the right call to favour the driver in the title hunt...
Or do you really think it was only their unwavering commitment to fairness that made them tell Kimi to give the place to Seb ?
<snip>- it’s too tight to allow team mates to trip each other up.... I can see that, but it seems some are blind to it with their favored teams.
It was not simple tactics that Kimi got ahead, I think that Ferrari made an error in leaving Seb out too long in the 1st stint allowing Kimi to get within his pit window. Then they dithered about for several laps during which both Kimi and Seb destroyed their tyres trying to race. Perhaps they have more of a commitment to fairness than some other teams. Or do you really think it was only their unwavering commitment to fairness that made them tell Kimi to give the place to Seb ?
<snip>- it’s too tight to allow team mates to trip each other up.... I can see that, but it seems some are blind to it with their favored teams.
Anyways, a pattern seems to be emerging whereby the Merc seems better on the tyres in the last few races than Ferrari.
Ferrari are not stupid. They were clearly working to a strategy, whatever that was, and it was one which they got wrong on this occasion.
You're a bit of a broken record really, aren't you?
Finally, the safety car actually jeopardised Hamilton's chances. Up to that point he had been lapping massively faster than anyone else (at one point 5 secs in one lap) and would have comfortably caught and passed all the other cars on worn softs whilst he was on fresh ultras. The safety car may have allowed him to get track position (and only on his own decision to ignore the instruction to pit), but that allowed Bottas and Kimi to change to fresh rubber and attack him at the restart.
Lewis showed today why he can justifiably be called one of the all-time greats whilst Vettel showed today why he will never be.
An absolute masterclass.
HustleRussell said:
Sam993 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Daft question, what did KR call the Haas? "AHH fk, the [sounds like flapper] blocked me!"
"Backmarker", at least that's what I thought he said.k, the [sounds like flapper] blocked me!"noell35 said:
HustleRussell said:
Sam993 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Daft question, what did KR call the Haas? "AHH fk, the [sounds like flapper] blocked me!"
"Backmarker", at least that's what I thought he said.k, the [sounds like flapper] blocked me!"
Dr Z said:
But that's the thing that allowed him to start on the harder compound and go as long as he did in the first stint while the other front runners couldn't make the soft work in quali and were on a tyre that was not a good to do the 1st stint for the range required to cover off a rain threat. This is my point.
If he had had a normal quali he would be pretty much on the exact position as the other guys having to pit earlier than they'd like.
That's my 2 pence.
On the other hand though, it’s the thing that gave the leaders a pit stop sized gap to Hamilton after only 6 laps.If he had had a normal quali he would be pretty much on the exact position as the other guys having to pit earlier than they'd like.
That's my 2 pence.
rallycross said:
Anyone else notice how incredibly narrow the circuit is on the last section into the stadium, the long distance shots made it look as narrow as Cadwell!
The narrowest bit, into and out of Sachs, is about 8 meters, incredibly narrow compared to a modern f1 track, Cadwell is about 7 meters so yeah, it really is almost as narrow as it looks there. Most of the rest of the circuit is 12-14 meters wide, 14 is pretty typical for the tracks F1 cars race on.Derek Smith said:
I feel sorry for the crowd losing a home win that seemed to be guaranteed. I don't feel sorry for Vettel, well not that much anyway. His mistake. I know he was being pushed but then that's racing.
As you say; fun.
I really enjoyed watching the highlights today - looked like another LH masterclass! As you say; fun.
I don't feel too sorry for the crowd losing a home win - it's just payback for Seb winning at Silverstone!
.Mr Tidy said:
I really enjoyed watching the highlights today - looked like another LH masterclass!
I don't feel too sorry for the crowd losing a home win - it's just payback for Seb winning at Silverstone!
Karma at work -- although I would have preferred some ponts for Seb. Keep the gap nice and close between the two... The other German really impressive, very deserved 5th for the Hulk.I don't feel too sorry for the crowd losing a home win - it's just payback for Seb winning at Silverstone!
Another cracking GP IMO. Watched it on F1TV, which still has technical issues, but also provides live timing with sectors. I wish that was freely availble, also to review after the race. I think some HAM sceptics could at least give a (grudging) nod of respect to the man. The times he did on very worn softs -- impressive. Even more impressive what he pulled during the bits of the race when the track weas greasy.
Kolbenkopp said:
Karma at work -- although I would have preferred some ponts for Seb. Keep the gap nice and close between the two... The other German really impressive, very deserved 5th for the Hulk.
Another cracking GP IMO. Watched it on F1TV, which still has technical issues, but also provides live timing with sectors. I wish that was freely availble, also to review after the race. I think some HAM sceptics could at least give a (grudging) nod of respect to the man. The times he did on very worn softs -- impressive. Even more impressive what he pulled during the bits of the race when the track weas greasy.
No doubt this was a great race from Lewis, and it will probably remembered as one of his best races. But Lewis also pitted at exactly the right time. He was on new ultra soft tyres while the others in front of him was on old soft tyres. Of course he had much better grip in those damp conditions on new ultrasoft tyres. I would rather say that Lewis' first stint on the soft tyres was much more impressive. That is what really won him the race, he had great speed on the old soft tyres. Mercedes has been good in making their tyres last these last couple of races. Another cracking GP IMO. Watched it on F1TV, which still has technical issues, but also provides live timing with sectors. I wish that was freely availble, also to review after the race. I think some HAM sceptics could at least give a (grudging) nod of respect to the man. The times he did on very worn softs -- impressive. Even more impressive what he pulled during the bits of the race when the track weas greasy.
It seems like Ferrari are not always able to make the tyres last.
All of these stories about Ferrari having such a powerful car is greatly overblown, I have yet to see really impressive pace from Ferrari during a race. People keep on forgetting that Kimi is still actually driving on the old spec one Ferrari engine.
Edited by Amok on Monday 23 July 04:14
Little gripe: yet again keeping the camera on the top couple of cars pootling around on their in-lap when a cracking finish is happening in the midfield.
Generally the midfield is getting short changed on coverage even though it's incredibly tight. In fact I struggle to recall a season where things are so evenly matched between so many teams. Just a shame it's often a minute or so behind the top 6.
Generally the midfield is getting short changed on coverage even though it's incredibly tight. In fact I struggle to recall a season where things are so evenly matched between so many teams. Just a shame it's often a minute or so behind the top 6.
Amok said:
All of these stories about Ferrari having such a powerful car is greatly overblown, I have yet to see really impressive pace from Ferrari during a race. People keep on forgetting that Kimi is still actually driving on the old spec one Ferrari engine.
You underestimate people. The extra power is coming from the hybrid component of the power unit not the engine. That explains why Raikkonen has a similar advantage. Watch one of Karun Chandhok’s qualifying lap analyses.
I really can’t understand all the people saying it was a crap race and Lewis was just lucky.
There have been a few boring races in F1 but this certainly wasn’t one of them.
Terrific drive from Lewis and lots of action up and down the field.
Fingers cracked under pressure as he has done before.
I’m looking looking forward to the next one
There have been a few boring races in F1 but this certainly wasn’t one of them.
Terrific drive from Lewis and lots of action up and down the field.
Fingers cracked under pressure as he has done before.
I’m looking looking forward to the next one
Silverbullet767 said:
Did anyone else notice Ted Karvitz's observation about the dry ice on top of the ferrari camera pod keeping something cool? I wonder what that's all about.
Yes I saw that and would have liked SKY to at least explore possibilities... rather than say, ‘dry ice, oooh there’s must be something going on’. Probably nothing major in any case. Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff