The Official 2018 German Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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If nothing else, this race proved how the old school, narrow, gravel trapped circuits can shake things up. Had this been any other track or most other corners, Seb would have ran a little wide of the white line and tip toed around a tarmac run off and re-joined with little drama. Tracks which punish small mistakes are missing in larger quantities.
LDN said:
Yes I saw that and would have liked SKY to at least explore possibilities... rather than say, ‘dry ice, oooh there’s must be something going on’. Probably nothing major in any case.
He did also add that none of the other Ferrari engined cars need that cooling arrangement. Interesting, I'd say!Andy S15 said:
If nothing else, this race proved how the old school, narrow, gravel trapped circuits can shake things up. Had this been any other track or most other corners, Seb would have ran a little wide of the white line and tip toed around a tarmac run off and re-joined with little drama. Tracks which punish small mistakes are missing in larger quantities.
That's a very good point! Big Nanas said:
LDN said:
Yes I saw that and would have liked SKY to at least explore possibilities... rather than say, ‘dry ice, oooh there’s must be something going on’. Probably nothing major in any case.
He did also add that none of the other Ferrari engined cars need that cooling arrangement. Interesting, I'd say!
jm doc said:
Virtually every driver went over that kerb at some point in the same way as Lewis did.
Ferrari are not stupid. They were clearly working to a strategy, whatever that was, and it was one which they got wrong on this occasion.
You're a bit of a broken record really, aren't you?
Finally, the safety car actually jeopardised Hamilton's chances. Up to that point he had been lapping massively faster than anyone else (at one point 5 secs in one lap) and would have comfortably caught and passed all the other cars on worn softs whilst he was on fresh ultras. The safety car may have allowed him to get track position (and only on his own decision to ignore the instruction to pit), but that allowed Bottas and Kimi to change to fresh rubber and attack him at the restart.
Lewis showed today why he can justifiably be called one of the all-time greats whilst Vettel showed today why he will never be.
An absolute masterclass.
Talking about broken records, listen to yourself:Ferrari are not stupid. They were clearly working to a strategy, whatever that was, and it was one which they got wrong on this occasion.
You're a bit of a broken record really, aren't you?
Finally, the safety car actually jeopardised Hamilton's chances. Up to that point he had been lapping massively faster than anyone else (at one point 5 secs in one lap) and would have comfortably caught and passed all the other cars on worn softs whilst he was on fresh ultras. The safety car may have allowed him to get track position (and only on his own decision to ignore the instruction to pit), but that allowed Bottas and Kimi to change to fresh rubber and attack him at the restart.
Lewis showed today why he can justifiably be called one of the all-time greats whilst Vettel showed today why he will never be.
An absolute masterclass.
jm doc said:
Bottas wasn't faster than Lewis, it's just that the part worn US tyres were slower to warm up after the restart which allowed Bottas on the new tyre to attack in the first lap. I don't think Bottas has ever really shown faster race pace than Lewis anyway.
This sounds like a rather well known borked record. It's obvious.Mark Hughes agrees with my assessment:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/reports/f1/2018...
Btw, I was poking fun @ LDN in the post you quoted as he did at me. Lots of sarcasm detectors have failed there.
Derek Smith said:
I feel sorry for the crowd losing a home win that seemed to be guaranteed. I don't feel sorry for Vettel, well not that much anyway. His mistake. I know he was being pushed but then that's racing.
As you say; fun.
Agreed. I can only imagine how many young Vettel fans went home disappointed last night.As you say; fun.
ajprice said:
Lewis winning from 14th is the lowest grid position to a win since Alonso winning from 15th in Singapore in 2008. That race win was ever so slightly engineered though 
, so what's the next lowest before that?
Michael Schumacher - Spa - 1995 - From 16th on the grid , so what's the next lowest before that?Kimi Raikkonen - Suzuka - 2005 - 17th
Rubens Barrichello - Hockenheim - 2000 - 18th
Mr Tidy said:
Derek Smith said:
I feel sorry for the crowd losing a home win that seemed to be guaranteed. I don't feel sorry for Vettel, well not that much anyway. His mistake. I know he was being pushed but then that's racing.
As you say; fun.
I really enjoyed watching the highlights today - looked like another LH masterclass! As you say; fun.
I don't feel too sorry for the crowd losing a home win - it's just payback for Seb winning at Silverstone!
That said you have to feel just a little bit of schadenfreude after Vettel's comment over the radio at Silverstone, in Italian, "We beat them on their own territory".
HustleRussell said:
Mr Tidy said:
Derek Smith said:
I feel sorry for the crowd losing a home win that seemed to be guaranteed. I don't feel sorry for Vettel, well not that much anyway. His mistake. I know he was being pushed but then that's racing.
As you say; fun.
I really enjoyed watching the highlights today - looked like another LH masterclass! As you say; fun.
I don't feel too sorry for the crowd losing a home win - it's just payback for Seb winning at Silverstone!
That said you have to feel just a little bit of schadenfreude after Vettel's comment over the radio at Silverstone, in Italian, "We beat them on their own territory".
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Wonder if the front wing damage was also a factor in the silly mistake.
Manageable in the dry but perhaps it made enough of a difference.
When it rains everybody shuffles their brake bias backwards as there isn't enough grip on the front tyres to generate anywhere near the longitudinal 'G'-force and therefore weight transfer which normally multiplies the amount of braking the front axle can do without locking (and reduces that of the rear axle).Manageable in the dry but perhaps it made enough of a difference.
Go a tiny bit too far with the brake balance or fail to compensate for it on braking and you'll lock the rear which is exactly what happened to Vettel. He braked too late and / or had too much rear bias.
I can't see how slightly reduced front downforce could've contributed.
Not particularly a fan of either Ham or Vet ( respect their skill behind the wheel), it surprises/ amuses me - re the steward's inquiry into Ham's white line infringement & the lack of a penalty (contrast Raikk 2016 - 5 sec), that, had the positions been reversed, many here would be claiming Ferrari Int Assistance. Do we now have the FIA MIA? Apols for puns & mixed metaphors.
paua said:
Not particularly a fan of either Ham or Vet ( respect their skill behind the wheel), it surprises/ amuses me - re the steward's inquiry into Ham's white line infringement & the lack of a penalty (contrast Raikk 2016 - 5 sec), that, had the positions been reversed, many here would be claiming Ferrari Int Assistance. Do we now have the FIA MIA? Apols for puns & mixed metaphors.
Different circuit, different rules. At Baku it states in the race directors event notes that if you cross the line with all 4 wheels you have to continue into the pits. It doesn't say to do it at this circuit as the entry isn't as high speed.So it's not the same at all.
Edited by Zoobeef on Monday 23 July 14:02
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