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Thought the Channel 4 commentary was crap yesterday.
Listened live on Radio 5 then watched C4 highlights. Jack Nichols and Jolyon Palmer on the radio were brilliant in commentary. They kept up to date on all the important gaps - particularly Hamilton closing by around 2 seconds a lap in the rain. On the telly there was barely a mention of this - the most exciting part of the race - I think those that only watched C4 missed out on some great excitement.
Listened live on Radio 5 then watched C4 highlights. Jack Nichols and Jolyon Palmer on the radio were brilliant in commentary. They kept up to date on all the important gaps - particularly Hamilton closing by around 2 seconds a lap in the rain. On the telly there was barely a mention of this - the most exciting part of the race - I think those that only watched C4 missed out on some great excitement.
Mr_Thyroid said:
Thought the Channel 4 commentary was crap yesterday.
Although I didn't listen to the 5 Live commentary, when I was watching the C4 highlights I did think the commentary was a bit off and not up to the usual standard for whatever reason. DC didn't actually say that much amd Ben Edwards didn't have his usual level of enthusiasm. Mr_Thyroid said:
Thought the Channel 4 commentary was crap yesterday.
Listened live on Radio 5 then watched C4 highlights. Jack Nichols and Jolyon Palmer on the radio were brilliant in commentary. They kept up to date on all the important gaps - particularly Hamilton closing by around 2 seconds a lap in the rain. On the telly there was barely a mention of this - the most exciting part of the race - I think those that only watched C4 missed out on some great excitement.
Agreed - i happened to watch the race live while listening to R5 and they made much of their weather reports and the impending deluge in the last few laps.Listened live on Radio 5 then watched C4 highlights. Jack Nichols and Jolyon Palmer on the radio were brilliant in commentary. They kept up to date on all the important gaps - particularly Hamilton closing by around 2 seconds a lap in the rain. On the telly there was barely a mention of this - the most exciting part of the race - I think those that only watched C4 missed out on some great excitement.
Ch4 didn’t really mention the peril that Hamilton was in if it dumped it in the last couple of laps.
swisstoni said:
If you look back on that ‘golden era’ there is not much to mourn for.
What spiced up those days was the terrible danger and randomness. The actual racing was often ruined by terrible reliability and, frankly, massive f
k-ups that could not happen today.
Yep - it was much more fun.What spiced up those days was the terrible danger and randomness. The actual racing was often ruined by terrible reliability and, frankly, massive f
k-ups that could not happen today.Who wants reliability and consistency? I don't.
E34-3.2 said:
Great race but next one is Budapest. Very little overtaking and should be a Ferrari win. If Redbull don't get reliability problems, Ham and Bottas will have to settle for 4th and 5th I believe.
Expect a Verstappen win in Hungary as long as the Renault engine stays together, I’d go RB 1-2 but it looks like Danny Ric will be facing another grid penalty. Vettel 2nd and the Mercedes in damage limitation like they were in Monaco. HustleRussell said:
The Surveyor said:
sparta6 said:
Some oil from the Williams had also just been deposited on that corner apparently.
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Why did nobody else go off there if there was oil on the track, it almost looked like he just drove off the track without locking or understeer.....
The 20 drivers don't all drive in the same way. Some are pushing more than others. The cars are set up differently.
Seb knew Hamilton was making hay and probably felt a pressure to respond. He may have had his diff set up to lock too much on deceleration, or too much harvesting for the conditions, or too much rear brake... or it was a simple error which would've been nothing if he'd braked a meter earlier.
Fair shout on the rear differential the extra battery harvesting via the mgu k, has to come from somewhere on that Ferrari.
skeeterm5 said:
Can the experts help me with something? When Kimi and Bottas came in for tyres behind the safety car how come they weren’t well down the field when the race restarted? Instead they were line astern with Hamilton.
It's the F1 style of safety car procedure. I don't get it either but I'm assuming it is done this way so that drivers don't lose positions.skeeterm5 said:
Can the experts help me with something? When Kimi and Bottas came in for tyres behind the safety car how come they weren’t well down the field when the race restarted? Instead they were line astern with Hamilton.
The gap to the mid field was large - around 50s from memory - Bottas came in immediately, so no issue for him getting out ahead of everyone. For Kimi it was surely closer because he did an extra lap, but you cannot go full speed when the safety car is called - you must go at a safe speed, presumably similar speed to VSC, so this bought him time - also I think a few of the mid-field pitted to get off their inters.Mr_Thyroid said:
skeeterm5 said:
Can the experts help me with something? When Kimi and Bottas came in for tyres behind the safety car how come they weren’t well down the field when the race restarted? Instead they were line astern with Hamilton.
The gap to the mid field was large - around 50s from memory - Bottas came in immediately, so no issue for him getting out ahead of everyone. For Kimi it was surely closer because he did an extra lap, but you cannot go full speed when the safety car is called - you must go at a safe speed, presumably similar speed to VSC, so this bought him time - also I think a few of the mid-field pitted to get off their inters.Derek Smith said:
I don't think that's quite right. Mansell was brought in for tyres as planned. They inspected his tyres and felt that they would have lasted the whole race. So they did not call in Piquet in for a new set.
They were right, of course. Piquet's tyres lasted the whole race. He put in three of his fastest laps in the last six or seven. However, Mansell's were half a race newer and, as more than half a tank had been used, didn't have so much taken out of them.
It was a poor call from Williams as they assumed, as did the man himself, that Piquet was not at risk from his team mate. We now know better.
A two car race that was thrilling.
The race could be done without tyre stops but Mansell had a wheel vibration https://motorsport.tv/embed/FmZ0ZBwuThey were right, of course. Piquet's tyres lasted the whole race. He put in three of his fastest laps in the last six or seven. However, Mansell's were half a race newer and, as more than half a tank had been used, didn't have so much taken out of them.
It was a poor call from Williams as they assumed, as did the man himself, that Piquet was not at risk from his team mate. We now know better.
A two car race that was thrilling.
entropy said:
The race could be done without tyre stops but Mansell had a wheel vibration https://motorsport.tv/embed/FmZ0ZBwu
At the time, Williams said that it was planned and that they did not expect the tyres to last. The impression most got was that the reasons he was brought in was to split the cars and to see if Piquet would get through on his, but then Williams did not want to be seen as partial.Sam993 said:
Mr_Thyroid said:
skeeterm5 said:
Can the experts help me with something? When Kimi and Bottas came in for tyres behind the safety car how come they weren’t well down the field when the race restarted? Instead they were line astern with Hamilton.
The gap to the mid field was large - around 50s from memory - Bottas came in immediately, so no issue for him getting out ahead of everyone. For Kimi it was surely closer because he did an extra lap, but you cannot go full speed when the safety car is called - you must go at a safe speed, presumably similar speed to VSC, so this bought him time - also I think a few of the mid-field pitted to get off their inters.Eric Mc said:
Yep - it was much more fun.
Who wants reliability and consistency? I don't.
I like reliability and consistency, it shows that the engineers are doing their jobs properly and understand what is going on with the cars.Who wants reliability and consistency? I don't.
Deesee said:
“Seb, Lewis is faster than you”,
Fair shout on the rear differential the extra battery harvesting via the mgu k, has to come from somewhere on that Ferrari.
The magic in the Ferrari is coming from the MGU-H, which is passing energy directly to the MGU-K and bypassing the battery. There are no limits on the amount that can be transferred this way, the only limit is the 160Kw of the motor itself when deploying it.Fair shout on the rear differential the extra battery harvesting via the mgu k, has to come from somewhere on that Ferrari.
Evangelion said:
Gary C said:
... yes I saw some good races in the 70's and 80's but your putting on the rose tinted if you think it was some 'golden era' ...
You obviously didn't read my post, nowhere did I even mention the 70s and 80s.F1's golden era was over long before that.
Bow to your seniority, but seeing races from the 50's and 60's you must have seem plenty of races where engines failed and others win. It's unfair to say any racer who climbed from 14th to win Just 'happened" to win.
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Thought the Channel 4 commentary was crap yesterday.
Listened live on Radio 5 then watched C4 highlights. Jack Nichols and Jolyon Palmer on the radio were brilliant in commentary. They kept up to date on all the important gaps - particularly Hamilton closing by around 2 seconds a lap in the rain. On the telly there was barely a mention of this - the most exciting part of the race - I think those that only watched C4 missed out on some great excitement.
I started listening to R5 commentary last year whenever I had to watch a live race on Sky, but now I have it on for most races. I think it's the nature of radio commentary, because it's audio-only, they have to paint a picture for the listener with no gaps in it, so you get far more information.Listened live on Radio 5 then watched C4 highlights. Jack Nichols and Jolyon Palmer on the radio were brilliant in commentary. They kept up to date on all the important gaps - particularly Hamilton closing by around 2 seconds a lap in the rain. On the telly there was barely a mention of this - the most exciting part of the race - I think those that only watched C4 missed out on some great excitement.
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