Standard front wing

[budgie smuggler]

kambites said:

Hmm so they're still allowed five elements, just no fancy turning vanes on the end-plate?

Yes it's mentioned in the link I posted somewhere above. Standardised endplates without vortex generators. The idea being to encourage the teams to bring more air inwards and underneath rather than using 'outwash'.

[ajprice]

Williams wing

[Driller]

When I said standard wing, I wasn’t discounting a standard design and didn’t necessarily mean a standard issue one used by everyone.

It’s really not a big deal is it? Just put in place a set of rules which means it must be a one piece affair with no complicated bits (no air allowed to pass through it?).

The effect on allowing the car behind to stay close through bends would surely help to allow a return to the closer racing of the good old days.

I don’t think this would go against the spirit of F1.

[skinny]

I think the 5 elements is a requirement in the technical regulations? At least it is I understand for this year. So when if the teams wanted to simplify it further and have 2 elements, they wouldn't be allowed.

[Kraken]

Depends on your definition of worse racing I suppose.

[Sam993]

Gaz. said:

reducing the downforce of the front wing will make racing worse but the tail is wagging the dog and F1 is buckling to fan pressure.

Depends how it's achieved, if you look at IndyCar the new car they launched this year reduced the downforce significantly and it made the racing even more exciting (ovals not so much but that's a different story).

[PhillipM]

Gaz. said:

The multi-element front wing is a bogeyman and reducing the downforce of the front wing will make racing worse but the tail is wagging the dog and F1 is buckling to fan pressure.

The wing is wider and taller, and the bargeboards are 100mm further forward, front end should actually improve slightly if anything.

[anonymous-user]

PhillipM said:

Gaz. said:

The multi-element front wing is a bogeyman and reducing the downforce of the front wing will make racing worse but the tail is wagging the dog and F1 is buckling to fan pressure.

The wing is wider and taller, and the bargeboards are 100mm further forward, front end should actually improve slightly if anything.

It will. The new wing is, at least for one major team that I know of, producing more downforce than this year’s.

[F1GTRUeno]

It should be really simple.

Two elements at most and remove all the st around the sidepods too.

Back to basics.

[Driller]

Gaz. said:

Driller said:

It’s really not a big deal is it? Just put in place a set of rules which means it must be a one piece affair with no complicated bits (no air allowed to pass through it?).

The effect on allowing the car behind to stay close through bends would surely help to allow a return to the closer racing of the good old days.

The multi-element front wing is a bogeyman and reducing the downforce of the front wing will make racing worse but the tail is wagging the dog and F1 is buckling to fan pressure.

Are you suggesting that the inability of cars to follow closely behind others through curves is not due to the turbulence of the car in front interfering with the performance of the front wing of the car behind?

Obviously it’s going to be multifactorial but what’s the most significant factor then?

[anonymous-user]

Put a g meter on the cars and stipulate that they must not exceed a certain downforce. This would move the onus more towards mechanical grip and negate the need for all these wing rules etc.

[ajprice]

F1GTRUeno said:

It should be really simple.

Two elements at most and remove all the st around the sidepods too.

Back to basics.

Yep, it needs a clean up like the 2009 rules that stopped all the winglets, fins, nosecone rabbit ears and all the other junk that crept in.
2008


2009

Edited by ajprice on Wednesday 1st August 14:41

[Sam993]

ajprice said:

That's a vile looking POS

[F1GTRUeno]

Sam993 said:

ajprice said:

That's a vile looking POS

Not as bad as this



Still far too many elements in the front wing and now they've made it snow shovel sized like 2009 was where they stuck out like a sore thumb. Crap.

[ajprice]

Ferrari 2019 wing in testing