Dan Ticktum Can't Test - Boohoo or suck it up sunshine?
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super7 said:
There's been worse and there will be probably me even more outrageous actions to come in the future....
Personally think Santino Ferrucci was just as bad..... hitting Maini after the race on purpose and then being caught with his mobile phone going to the grid the next day and ignoring requests to go to the stewards.... He's running around in Indycar now.
He was in line to win the F3 Euroseries a couple of years back when Schumacher suddenly found what an accelerator was for in the last few races and went from back of the grid to winning all the final races on the trot....
He is quick.... and has proved it this year in GP2.
You’ve missed out all the sPersonally think Santino Ferrucci was just as bad..... hitting Maini after the race on purpose and then being caught with his mobile phone going to the grid the next day and ignoring requests to go to the stewards.... He's running around in Indycar now.
He was in line to win the F3 Euroseries a couple of years back when Schumacher suddenly found what an accelerator was for in the last few races and went from back of the grid to winning all the final races on the trot....
He is quick.... and has proved it this year in GP2.
tty behaviour when RedBull were looking after him. I think the fact that they dumped him says a lot more than you’re able to.
He’s occasionally quick, usually not, doesn’t race particularly well, has an appalling temperament.
If Indycar will have him (or rather his money) the sooner he f
ks off there, the better. I don't think you can get much worse than crashing someone out under a safety car. Ferrucci is lucky he has a lot of backing because he shouldn't be allowed in a race car either.
Look I don't mind having characters in the sport, but I draw the line when they behave like the drivers mentioned in this thread.
Look I don't mind having characters in the sport, but I draw the line when they behave like the drivers mentioned in this thread.
grassomaniac said:
I don't think you can get much worse than crashing someone out under a safety car. Ferrucci is lucky he has a lot of backing because he shouldn't be allowed in a race car either.
Look I don't mind having characters in the sport, but I draw the line when they behave like the drivers mentioned in this thread.
Vettel? Under the safety car into Hamilton?Look I don't mind having characters in the sport, but I draw the line when they behave like the drivers mentioned in this thread.
RedBull took him back on after the Silverstone issue and put him the Japanese series... then dumped him. Your not a RedBull driver unless you’ve been dumped, taken back on, promoted and demoted!!
super7 said:
Vettel? Under the safety car into Hamilton?
RedBull took him back on after the Silverstone issue and put him the Japanese series... then dumped him. Your not a RedBull driver unless you’ve been dumped, taken back on, promoted and demoted!!
And Vettel should have been black flagged. However that was a clumsy side swipe and I don't even think he intended to do it. RedBull took him back on after the Silverstone issue and put him the Japanese series... then dumped him. Your not a RedBull driver unless you’ve been dumped, taken back on, promoted and demoted!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP_OD2M1exw this is the incident that got Ticktum banned. Barely even comparable and I can't believe you think Vettel's stupid action is even in the same league.
TheDeuce said:
Stop it - you MUST be joking!?
Edited by grassomaniac on Friday 28th August 14:55
grassomaniac said:
TheDeuce said:
Stop it - you MUST be joking!?
You said it was clumsy and you didn't think he intended to do it. Bit late to back peddle now
It was entirely deliberate and he lined up accurately to ensure he could bump Lewis's wheels - which in his rage he saw as reasonable and safe enough to risk.
TheDeuce said:
No no...
You said it was clumsy and you didn't think he intended to do it. Bit late to back peddle now
It was entirely deliberate and he lined up accurately to ensure he could bump Lewis's wheels - which in his rage he saw as reasonable and safe enough to risk.
Er, I hope you're joking and if you are I apologise but back peddle? I said he lost it as in wasn't thinking straight which is why he made a clumsy move. How is that back-peddling?You said it was clumsy and you didn't think he intended to do it. Bit late to back peddle now
It was entirely deliberate and he lined up accurately to ensure he could bump Lewis's wheels - which in his rage he saw as reasonable and safe enough to risk.
thegreenhell said:
Yes, sorry I was just disagreeing with someone trying to say it was as bad as what Ticktum did. I won't mention it again.Edited by grassomaniac on Friday 28th August 15:07
grassomaniac said:
Er, I hope you're joking and if you are I apologise but back peddle? I said he lost it as in wasn't thinking straight which is why he made a clumsy move. How is that back-peddling?
No - you said this: grassomaniac said:
However that was a clumsy side swipe and I don't even think he intended to do it.
There is a difference between making a clumsy unintentional move because you're not thinking straight - and pulling up alongside your rival, lining up your wheels centres and steering straight in to them. In his anger he DID definitely intend to do what he did.It's not a big deal - but you did say that, everyone can see what you said...
As for whether it's comparable to Ticktum... I would say Seb's behaviour was in many ways comparable in terms of losing control. Whatever the extent or outcome of losing control (mentally) it's never an admirable quality in a racing car driver. It is always a risk.
In the specific Seb-Lewis incident, it was slow speed and he bought his car in to Lewis's in the safest manner (still never safe) just about. The other difference to be fair is that Seb was an established and respected multiple WDC at the time, where as Ticktum was still on the up and up. That shouldn't make a difference really... But of course, it does.
I think Seb got away very lightly that day - and I'm saying all this as something of a Seb fan!
TheDeuce said:
grassomaniac said:
Er, I hope you're joking and if you are I apologise but back peddle? I said he lost it as in wasn't thinking straight which is why he made a clumsy move. How is that back-peddling?
No - you said this: grassomaniac said:
However that was a clumsy side swipe and I don't even think he intended to do it.
There is a difference between making a clumsy unintentional move because you're not thinking straight - and pulling up alongside your rival, lining up your wheels centres and steering straight in to them. In his anger he DID definitely intend to do what he did.It's not a big deal - but you did say that, everyone can see what you said...
As for whether it's comparable to Ticktum... I would say Seb's behaviour was in many ways comparable in terms of losing control. Whatever the extent or outcome of losing control (mentally) it's never an admirable quality in a racing car driver. It is always a risk.
In the specific Seb-Lewis incident, it was slow speed and he bought his car in to Lewis's in the safest manner (still never safe) just about. The other difference to be fair is that Seb was an established and respected multiple WDC at the time, where as Ticktum was still on the up and up. That shouldn't make a difference really... But of course, it does.
I think Seb got away very lightly that day - and I'm saying all this as something of a Seb fan!
I think your initial reply got my back up that's all. I do agree he was lucky because as said he should have been parked after it, even if I thought what he did wasn't intentional, you shouldn't behave the way he did. (Especially when it turned out he was wrong with what he'd perceived Hamilton to do
) Anyway as mentioned I did say I wouldn't keep bringing it up and here I am again so definitely the last I'll say about it here.grassomaniac said:
Fair enough I think your initial reply got my back up that's all.
I do agree he was lucky because as said he should have been parked after it, even if I thought what he did wasn't intentional, you shouldn't behave the way he did. (Especially when it turned out he was wrong with what he'd perceived Hamilton to do ) Anyway as mentioned I did say I wouldn't keep bringing it up and here I am again so definitely the last I'll say about it here.
Fair, we'll leave it there then I think your initial reply got my back up that's all. I do agree he was lucky because as said he should have been parked after it, even if I thought what he did wasn't intentional, you shouldn't behave the way he did. (Especially when it turned out he was wrong with what he'd perceived Hamilton to do
) Anyway as mentioned I did say I wouldn't keep bringing it up and here I am again so definitely the last I'll say about it here.
carl_w said:
He didn't just crash into someone after the safety car. He overtook at least a quarter of the grid and deliberately drove into his nearest rival.
That for me is the concern. It wasn't just a split second moment of madness that can be excused due to racing adrenaline and so on. He actually took time and effort after the event to get to his target before causing the collision... Why didn't he get a grip of himself during that time?Most people in normal non-racing life that lash out after an initial upset have done so and also shown signs of regret for doing so in less time than it took Ticktum to even get to his victim.
He's very much a genuine talent, that much is blindingly obvious. But at the end of the day, unless everyone else in F1 can be convinced he's dealt with that part of himself then he's just a liability if he's given a seat. Not getting at the kid - we all cock up, but it's simply not fair to put that sort of loose cannon on track at 200mph in cars that fall apart if they're sneezed upon.
TheDeuce said:
carl_w said:
He didn't just crash into someone after the safety car. He overtook at least a quarter of the grid and deliberately drove into his nearest rival.
That for me is the concern. It wasn't just a split second moment of madness that can be excused due to racing adrenaline and so on. He actually took time and effort after the event to get to his target before causing the collision... Why didn't he get a grip of himself during that time?Most people in normal non-racing life that lash out after an initial upset have done so and also shown signs of regret for doing so in less time than it took Ticktum to even get to his victim.
He's very much a genuine talent, that much is blindingly obvious. But at the end of the day, unless everyone else in F1 can be convinced he's dealt with that part of himself then he's just a liability if he's given a seat. Not getting at the kid - we all cock up, but it's simply not fair to put that sort of loose cannon on track at 200mph in cars that fall apart if they're sneezed upon.
thegreenhell said:
mat205125 said:
More importantly, what is people choice of nickname for him?
We're alternating between Dan Tantrum and Dan Rectum, however after watching h Smokey and the Bandit we've added Dan Tickturd to the list too
His name is almost an anagram of Dick Tantrum, which seems particularly apposite.We're alternating between Dan Tantrum and Dan Rectum, however after watching h Smokey and the Bandit we've added Dan Tickturd to the list too
I may be alone in having personal experience of dealing with this driver, In my previous role I had to deal with him on many occasions when he had driven in an intimidating manner and bullied drivers on a trackday and ignored multiple black flags or this and other issues this was before the F4 incident.
He is a complete and utter idiot who should have been banned for life a spoilt rich kid with no idea how to behave or to represent either himself or by inference sponsors. It will only be a matter of time before another incident in my opinion and the sport would be much better and safer off without him.
Don't even think he is that good but he has a budget behind him sad really.
He is a complete and utter idiot who should have been banned for life a spoilt rich kid with no idea how to behave or to represent either himself or by inference sponsors. It will only be a matter of time before another incident in my opinion and the sport would be much better and safer off without him.
Don't even think he is that good but he has a budget behind him sad really.
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