Dan Ticktum Can't Test - Boohoo or suck it up sunshine?

Dan Ticktum Can't Test - Boohoo or suck it up sunshine?

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FourWheelDrift

88,563 posts

285 months

Monday 31st August 2020
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WickerBill said:
In stark contrast, Ferrucci who I thought was an utter ar$e has changed in an incredibly positive way since being in Indycar
In a series that has Will Power, Graham Rahal and Alexander Rossi the devil incarnate would look like an angel.

WickerBill

905 posts

49 months

Monday 31st August 2020
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TheDeuce said:
He's confirmed bellend. Also quite fast...

It wouldn't amaze me to see him end up in F1 at some point at all - but if he took some anger management lessons in the meanwhile I feel his chances would be improved. He needs to deal with the fact he's a known liability.
And there’s the problem. He is undeniably quick.....but FAR too often than not his anger gets the better of him which either manifests itself into running someone off the track, shooting his mouth off on the radio or driving ANGRY so he makes mistakes and/ or destroys his tyres.

If there’s ever an advert for chemical castration to lower someone’s testosterone levels...ticktum is it.

WickerBill

905 posts

49 months

Monday 31st August 2020
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FourWheelDrift said:
WickerBill said:
In stark contrast, Ferrucci who I thought was an utter ar$e has changed in an incredibly positive way since being in Indycar
In a series that has Will Power, Graham Rahal and Alexander Rossi the devil incarnate would look like an angel.
Ha true....but there’s a difference in being a character and being an utter arse....Ferruci has gone from the latter to the former imho

Sandpit Steve

10,120 posts

75 months

Tuesday 1st September 2020
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TheDeuce said:
He's confirmed bellend. Also quite fast...

It wouldn't amaze me to see him end up in F1 at some point at all - but if he took some anger management lessons in the meanwhile I feel his chances would be improved. He needs to deal with the fact he's a known liability.
He’s a great advert for the strict requirements of super licence points. He’d be an utter liability in an F1 car, to himself and the other competitors.

entropy

5,450 posts

204 months

Tuesday 1st September 2020
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TheDeuce said:
He's confirmed bellend. Also quite fast...

It wouldn't amaze me to see him end up in F1 at some point at all - but if he took some anger management lessons in the meanwhile I feel his chances would be improved. He needs to deal with the fact he's a known liability.
Well said.

He's an example of someone who would definitely benefit from coaching and arm-around-the-shoulder mentoring.

Whether he takes that advice and willing to learn is on him.

Max was/is just as fiery and his driving has become more refined now, however whenever he comes across traffic everyone is a blind .

Or how about Vettel. His attitude has worsened over time: banging into Lewis, disrespecting Charlie Whiting.

I don't have a problem with radio chatter. It's a privilege and not a right to hear teams at work; people say st during the heat of the moment.

Petrus1983

8,775 posts

163 months

Tuesday 1st September 2020
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Bottom line is that most people on the F1 grid are ultimately paid for by the sponsors they represent - and he isn’t a good representative whether or not he’s fast enough. I feel he’s very unlikely to make it.

TwentyFive

336 posts

67 months

Tuesday 1st September 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
Bottom line is that most people on the F1 grid are ultimately paid for by the sponsors they represent - and he isn’t a good representative whether or not he’s fast enough. I feel he’s very unlikely to make it.
I think that's true and he reminds me a lot of Tommy Byrne. Quick on his day but a very loose cannon.

The sponsorship aspect can be taken two ways. On the one hand the majority of drivers are all the same in front of the camera these days so I have little doubt he could say the right thing and thank the sponsors when required, but he would be a risk when things aren't going his way.

Although with that being said you could argue that his on and off track drama results in TV time which is exactly what the sponsor is paying for in the first place. You would likely get more TV time by sponsoring Ticktum than you would with many of the other F2 drivers and the fact this thread is still going strong somewhat highlights that point. The main question for a prospective Ticktum sponsor would be is the 'no such thing as bad publicity' theory really true? I don't know.

His baggage and previous reputation should be the reasons that stop him getting to F1 but I wouldn't be massively surprised to see him there one day.

entropy

5,450 posts

204 months

Tuesday 1st September 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
Bottom line is that most people on the F1 grid are ultimately paid for by the sponsors they represent - and he isn’t a good representative whether or not he’s fast enough. I feel he’s very unlikely to make it.
If he isn't a good representative then why does he continue to still have a career - with one of the top teams in GP2 (DAMS) no less and is with Wiliams as reserve/development driver?

mad4amanda

2,410 posts

165 months

Tuesday 1st September 2020
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Because his daddy writes the cheque?

Mr Pointy

11,253 posts

160 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2020
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KevinCamaroSS

11,641 posts

281 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2020
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Mr Pointy said:
I do hope not. Until he has proven, over time, to control his temper he has no place in F1.

Frimley111R

15,685 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2020
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KevinCamaroSS said:
I do hope not. Until he has proven, over time, to control his temper he has no place in F1.
Its getting on for 3 years since the incident and at that age people can change a lot

paulguitar

23,582 posts

114 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2020
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Frimley111R said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
I do hope not. Until he has proven, over time, to control his temper he has no place in F1.
Its getting on for 3 years since the incident and at that age people can change a lot
He still sounds unbalanced on the pit to car radio.

KevinCamaroSS

11,641 posts

281 months

Thursday 3rd September 2020
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Frimley111R said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
I do hope not. Until he has proven, over time, to control his temper he has no place in F1.
Its getting on for 3 years since the incident and at that age people can change a lot
Every time he has a 'moment' you need to restart the clock, so far there is no evidence he can control himself properly all the time.

Frimley111R

15,685 posts

235 months

Thursday 3rd September 2020
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paulguitar said:
Frimley111R said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
I do hope not. Until he has proven, over time, to control his temper he has no place in F1.
Its getting on for 3 years since the incident and at that age people can change a lot
He still sounds unbalanced on the pit to car radio.
Read that he got kicked out of a RB team last year for another incident.....



TwentyFive

336 posts

67 months

Thursday 3rd September 2020
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paulguitar said:
He still sounds unbalanced on the pit to car radio.
If you used team radio as the point of reference for finding a balanced racing driver then it would be a very small grid.

The emotion, frustration and bad language on team radio is commonplace from multiple drivers in all categories.

I have no issue with a driver using the radio as an outlet for frustration... I do however have an issue with a driver using their car as a weapon for that same purpose.

There is a difference.


paulguitar

23,582 posts

114 months

Thursday 3rd September 2020
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TwentyFive said:
paulguitar said:
He still sounds unbalanced on the pit to car radio.
If you used team radio as the point of reference for finding a balanced racing driver then it would be a very small grid.

The emotion, frustration and bad language on team radio is commonplace from multiple drivers in all categories.

I have no issue with a driver using the radio as an outlet for frustration... I do however have an issue with a driver using their car as a weapon for that same purpose.

There is a difference.

Yeah, that's fair enough. There's something disturbing about him though, that comes across via the team radio as well as his on-track shenanigans.


TwentyFive

336 posts

67 months

Thursday 3rd September 2020
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paulguitar said:
TwentyFive said:
paulguitar said:
He still sounds unbalanced on the pit to car radio.
If you used team radio as the point of reference for finding a balanced racing driver then it would be a very small grid.

The emotion, frustration and bad language on team radio is commonplace from multiple drivers in all categories.

I have no issue with a driver using the radio as an outlet for frustration... I do however have an issue with a driver using their car as a weapon for that same purpose.

There is a difference.

Yeah, that's fair enough. There's something disturbing about him though, that comes across via the team radio as well as his on-track shenanigans.
I agree.. and I think it a preconceived idea we have based on what he did years ago. Whenever you hear him agitated on the radio you immediately assume what is going to follow will be bad based on his stupidity years ago. To my mind he can chirp off on the radio all he wants so long as that outlet means he doesn't actually take someone out.

He will never be able to escape the reputation he has but ultimately he served his penalty and whilst I think the MSA / FIA really didn't hand down the appropriate punishment (lifetime ban), he did serve the time and is entitled to be where he is today. If anything it raises more questions about the governing bodies than it does about Ticktum himself.

zsdom

800 posts

121 months

shirt

22,627 posts

202 months

Sunday 6th September 2020
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TwentyFive said:
The main question for a prospective Ticktum sponsor would be is the 'no such thing as bad publicity' theory really true? I don't know.
Sounds like the perfect Rich Energy sponsorship opportunity...