The finn who fell...
Discussion
Kimi Kimi Kimi.....
Where do I start...
Am I the only one who can't stand him now? His quite frankly rude interviews, his dull race performances.. and I cant help thinking he's just in f1 for the money.. and has been since returning to ferrari.. I was a HUGE fan of him from 2003 - 2006 and of McLaren mercedes in general but Christ.. what the hell happened? Age? Lack of motivation? Pay cheques?
He was hailed as the World class next big thing in 01/02... unarguably one of the fastest on the grid in 03 - 06, then the music... just stopped.. He was easily matched/beaten by massa in his first couple of years of Ferrari.. then f*cked off to do rallying (which brought no success) came back to formula one with lotus... flashes of brilliant mid 00's Kimi.. then back to an ass woopin' from Fernando and seb at ferrari... (I know he can match seb sometimes in quali).. but come the race, he's laughably no where..
Where did it all go wrong? I'm puzzled with him.
Where do I start...
Am I the only one who can't stand him now? His quite frankly rude interviews, his dull race performances.. and I cant help thinking he's just in f1 for the money.. and has been since returning to ferrari.. I was a HUGE fan of him from 2003 - 2006 and of McLaren mercedes in general but Christ.. what the hell happened? Age? Lack of motivation? Pay cheques?
He was hailed as the World class next big thing in 01/02... unarguably one of the fastest on the grid in 03 - 06, then the music... just stopped.. He was easily matched/beaten by massa in his first couple of years of Ferrari.. then f*cked off to do rallying (which brought no success) came back to formula one with lotus... flashes of brilliant mid 00's Kimi.. then back to an ass woopin' from Fernando and seb at ferrari... (I know he can match seb sometimes in quali).. but come the race, he's laughably no where..
Where did it all go wrong? I'm puzzled with him.
I rather think that if Ferrari approached racing on a more equal basis across their two cars/drivers, Kimi would have many wins notched up by now. Perhaps not as many as Seb but I do think there is less between them than the statistics would suggest.
Other than that, the Kimi today is exactly the same Kimi who arrived in F1 with Sauber with just 23 car races behind him. I see no change in his character whatsoever. He's made no secret that to him, F1 is a hobby that people pay him to do.
His disaffected attitude, irreverence and dry wit make him very different to the standard corporatised idendi-kit driver seen in so many others.
He probably has had his day but is more than capable of winning still and I think F1 would be the poorer without him on the grid.
Other than that, the Kimi today is exactly the same Kimi who arrived in F1 with Sauber with just 23 car races behind him. I see no change in his character whatsoever. He's made no secret that to him, F1 is a hobby that people pay him to do.
His disaffected attitude, irreverence and dry wit make him very different to the standard corporatised idendi-kit driver seen in so many others.
He probably has had his day but is more than capable of winning still and I think F1 would be the poorer without him on the grid.
It is a shame for sure, the only way I could see him winning a race between now and the end of his career is if Vettel and Hamilton are not in contention for whatever reason.
That said, I don't really think the scenario would be different for any driver in the number 2 seat at Ferrari.
That said, I don't really think the scenario would be different for any driver in the number 2 seat at Ferrari.
StevieBee said:
Other than that, the Kimi today is exactly the same Kimi who arrived in F1 with Sauber with just 23 car races behind him. I see no change in his character whatsoever. He's made no secret that to him, F1 is a hobby that people pay him to do.
I'm not convinced.. He just seemed so much more hungry back then... plus his poor performances over the past few years backed up by suddenly amazing ones when his contract is up for discussion - just seems like he's rolling around just for the money, and to me that isn't what f1 should be about.But what can you do... it works for Ferrari and it works for Kimi.
Been watching a lot of the races from the McLaren Kimi era and it's like a completely different person now.
mcholeboy_59 said:
...and I cant help thinking he's just in f1 for the money...
Even if it were true, why would it be a problem? It's not a normal job but it is a job at the end of the day. I'm sure I remember reading about a Premiership footballer who admitted to the same a few years ago.SamR380 said:
Even if it were true, why would it be a problem? It's not a normal job but it is a job at the end of the day. I'm sure I remember reading about a Premiership footballer who admitted to the same a few years ago.
It's not technically an issue... just to me, I like to see drivers who are hungry, hungry for wins, to do well, to drive to the absolute limit of their ability, every corner of every lap.. (forget tyre and fuel management for a min) .. you get the picture.. compare him to Fernando, who has been in f1 for longer, and is still hungry and visibly gets the most of of himself and the car... Pericoloso said:
His demeanour is typical Finn.
Having seen interviews with Finnish rally drivers who are very similar.
Not all Finnish people are like this before one takes offence.
Maybe..Having seen interviews with Finnish rally drivers who are very similar.
Not all Finnish people are like this before one takes offence.
But 3 of the top of my head would be hakkinen, gronholm and makinen..
They all seemed (for most) part to be quite chatty and actually had a sense of humour..
I dunno if its money.More like pride and feeling of worth to be at the top team. He was at lotus for a little while and he's out on the track placing high and winning and the skinflints were not even paying his wages.
It must be nice at ferrari. He just doesnt articulate these feeling very well.
They obviously dont want someone in his place rocking the boat and unsettling vettel who is the force driving them to
greater than they were before he arrived.
Mclaren had 2 pushy t
ts and Kimi snuck through to win the title that year. All that equal nonsense only works if the other teams are nowhere near your level.
Could take some lessons from vettel who can be very amusing for a german.
It must be nice at ferrari. He just doesnt articulate these feeling very well.
They obviously dont want someone in his place rocking the boat and unsettling vettel who is the force driving them to
greater than they were before he arrived.
Mclaren had 2 pushy t
ts and Kimi snuck through to win the title that year. All that equal nonsense only works if the other teams are nowhere near your level. Could take some lessons from vettel who can be very amusing for a german.
Look at Kimi's performance in 2012 when he was the number one driver at Lotus.
3rd in the Championship behind only Vettel in the best car on the grid and Alonso in a Ferrari.
Unfortunately he is just purely a number two driver at Ferrari.
It would be great to see him at another team again with a higher status but it would be extremely unlikely now.
I would however not be surprised for Ferrari to hold onto him until Vettel's contract is up.
3rd in the Championship behind only Vettel in the best car on the grid and Alonso in a Ferrari.
Unfortunately he is just purely a number two driver at Ferrari.
It would be great to see him at another team again with a higher status but it would be extremely unlikely now.
I would however not be surprised for Ferrari to hold onto him until Vettel's contract is up.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Look at Kimi's performance in 2012 when he was the number one driver at Lotus.
3rd in the Championship behind only Vettel in the best car on the grid and Alonso in a Ferrari.
Unfortunately he is just purely a number two driver at Ferrari.
It would be great to see him at another team again with a higher status but it would be extremely unlikely now.
I would however not be surprised for Ferrari to hold onto him until Vettel's contract is up.
I read somewhere today (can't remember where) that he is likely to be offered a 2 year contract. 3rd in the Championship behind only Vettel in the best car on the grid and Alonso in a Ferrari.
Unfortunately he is just purely a number two driver at Ferrari.
It would be great to see him at another team again with a higher status but it would be extremely unlikely now.
I would however not be surprised for Ferrari to hold onto him until Vettel's contract is up.
HustleRussell said:
I think Kimi is driving pretty well this season considering that for a significant portion of it Vettel has had a useful PU power advantage over him. Also Ferrari continually throw him under the bus on strategy. I think if I was in his shoes I'd be demotivated to say the least!
Whilst remembering the massive yacht, cars, brand sponsorships and parties that it will enable until old age.StevieBee said:
I rather think that if Ferrari approached racing on a more equal basis across their two cars/drivers, Kimi would have many wins notched up by now. Perhaps not as many as Seb but I do think there is less between them than the statistics would suggest.
Other than that, the Kimi today is exactly the same Kimi who arrived in F1 with Sauber with just 23 car races behind him. I see no change in his character whatsoever. He's made no secret that to him, F1 is a hobby that people pay him to do.
His disaffected attitude, irreverence and dry wit make him very different to the standard corporatised idendi-kit driver seen in so many others.
He probably has had his day but is more than capable of winning still and I think F1 would be the poorer without him on the grid.
He sold out. He knew what he was getting into with Ferrari and followed the money. I do not criticise him in any way for that. All those zeros would tempt anyone. However, it does dull my sympathy.Other than that, the Kimi today is exactly the same Kimi who arrived in F1 with Sauber with just 23 car races behind him. I see no change in his character whatsoever. He's made no secret that to him, F1 is a hobby that people pay him to do.
His disaffected attitude, irreverence and dry wit make him very different to the standard corporatised idendi-kit driver seen in so many others.
He probably has had his day but is more than capable of winning still and I think F1 would be the poorer without him on the grid.
On the plus side, he doesn't do an Irvine and pose about how he is only just a fraction slower than his teammate and better than anyone else. He just gets on with it.
He's an employee as much as the bloke who changes his left front wheel (other mechanics who change wheels are available). He knows it and it seems to affect his driving.
He's very much like Hamilton in the way he doesn't act all corporate and I for one am grateful for that.
Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff