The finn who fell...
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Vaud said:
Take this the right way but you seem focused on equal team status. No 1 status worked for Ferrari before, Mercedes are clearly leaning that way (they haven't needed to for most of the current regs) and RedBull too.
As a team if you prioritise WDC over WCC then it is an understandable strategy. The F1 that you seem to a spire to after of 2 equal drivers in great machines doing battle to the last lap of the last race is (a bit of) rose tinted glasses.
Apologies if I have misinterpreted; I do try to follow posters across F1 threads.
No I agree that I am looking through rose tinted glasses.As a team if you prioritise WDC over WCC then it is an understandable strategy. The F1 that you seem to a spire to after of 2 equal drivers in great machines doing battle to the last lap of the last race is (a bit of) rose tinted glasses.
Apologies if I have misinterpreted; I do try to follow posters across F1 threads.
I want to see the best drivers in the best cars on the grid.
Can you imagine if Ricciardo or say Alonso joined Mercedes or Ferrari for 2019. It would sell tickets that;s for sure.
The issue is that when there is a rules change you always get a team which does a much better job and gets a march on the field.
Ferrari have caught up with Mercedes now but it took until 2017 for this to happen.
When you have very talented drivers in cars who just can't compete it puts a dampener on the whole sport.
But you can understand why teams would prefer a clear number 1 and 2 driver combination when you see the fireworks that can happen when you have two who are close in performance.
Just hope when the rules change yet again we don't have another 3-4 years of one team with a clear performance advantage.
swisstoni said:
If I was a WDC there’s no way I’d wind up being no2.
I’d rather get out completely or drop down the grid if I wanted to stay in F1
Still - presumably Kimi is wired that way.
At least he has a chance of a win in the Ferrari. I’d rather get out completely or drop down the grid if I wanted to stay in F1
Still - presumably Kimi is wired that way.
Go down the grid to another team and that's the end of your chances whoever you are.
I am sure being in the Ferrari and being paid is enough for Kimi now.
swisstoni said:
If I was a WDC there’s no way I’d wind up being no2.
I’d rather get out completely or drop down the grid if I wanted to stay in F1
Still - presumably Kimi is wired that way.
You could argue that’s cutting off your nose to spite your face a certain extent - pride overtaking more rational arguementsI’d rather get out completely or drop down the grid if I wanted to stay in F1
Still - presumably Kimi is wired that way.
I quite like Kimi. The last of the old school and a memory of the (nearly) nineties.
If both he and Alonso are gone, the ‘father’s of the house’, so to speak, will be Hamilton and Vettel - and F1s last link with my youth will be severed.
Inevitable of course - but sad
American iv said:
I saw this interview a while ago, but it's worth linking to here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJQFCPJZBIU as it is an interesting watch
That was a real interesting watch. One of the rare interviews where he seems quite communicative and relaxed laughing and joking. A shame he doesn’t show more of that at F1 but I can understand how he wants to keep his private life just that, private.ELUSIVEJIM said:
Can you imagine if Ricciardo or say Alonso joined Mercedes or Ferrari for 2019. It would sell tickets that;s for sure.
Manybe, I suspect it would simply end up being a walkover for whichever team backed one driver however whilst the team with two no1s (so to speak) squabbled over the points.If Rosberg hadn’t quit, Vettel would have walked last season.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Can you imagine if Ricciardo or say Alonso joined Mercedes or Ferrari for 2019. It would sell tickets that;s for sure.
Manybe, I suspect it would simply end up being a walkover for whichever team backed one driver however whilst the team with two no1s (so to speak) squabbled over the points.If Rosberg hadn’t quit, Vettel would have walked last season.
At 38 Kimi knows he is at the end of his career and a number two driver, but if someone offered me money to drive an F1 car I would equally do it for as long as possible.
As for his character, you have to remember he was thrust into the spotlight at a young age with little media training which led to the nervous one word answers and the "Iceman" image. Now he just plays up to this because he can get away with it and avoid the PR stuff he always hated doing.
For those fortunate enough to have spoken to Kimi when he does not have a camera pointed at him they would agree he comes across far more relaxed.
As for his character, you have to remember he was thrust into the spotlight at a young age with little media training which led to the nervous one word answers and the "Iceman" image. Now he just plays up to this because he can get away with it and avoid the PR stuff he always hated doing.
For those fortunate enough to have spoken to Kimi when he does not have a camera pointed at him they would agree he comes across far more relaxed.
pozi said:
At 38 Kimi knows he is at the end of his career and a number two driver, but if someone offered me money to drive an F1 car I would equally do it for as long as possible.
As for his character, you have to remember he was thrust into the spotlight at a young age with little media training which led to the nervous one word answers and the "Iceman" image. Now he just plays up to this because he can get away with it and avoid the PR stuff he always hated doing.
For those fortunate enough to have spoken to Kimi when he does not have a camera pointed at him they would agree he comes across far more relaxed.
Age is no longer on his side, but he's having his best year in a long time - regular podiums, some patchy qualifying efforts, but solid overall. He's very much the #2 in the team, but doing a good job (and appears more consistent than Bottas at this time). As for his character, you have to remember he was thrust into the spotlight at a young age with little media training which led to the nervous one word answers and the "Iceman" image. Now he just plays up to this because he can get away with it and avoid the PR stuff he always hated doing.
For those fortunate enough to have spoken to Kimi when he does not have a camera pointed at him they would agree he comes across far more relaxed.
I remember when he was asked (late last year or early this year I think) about his motivation to carry on, he simply said he enjoyed pushing a car he was comfortable in. The 2018 Ferrari is to his liking, and his frustration is no longer with the car, but with strategy calls and team orders.
A happy Kimi is one who has a car under him with an accurate, consistent front end - he has that this year, and it shows with his on-track performance. I think I mentioned in the Hungary GP thread, I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the running for pole in Spa, if not a race win. It's a track he excels at usually, and with a car he can lean on, ought to be up there this year.
Vaud said:
Derek Smith said:
He's very much like Hamilton in the way he doesn't act all corporate and I for one am grateful for that.
He has at least gifted us some of the best car to pit radio."Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing" is still my favourite.
carinaman said:
For once, i think Villeneuve is bang on the money.gibbon said:
carinaman said:
For once, i think Villeneuve is bang on the money.cb1965 said:
aeropilot said:
mikecassie said:
Who would you sooner spend 1hr at an airport bar with, Kimi or Lewis?
Kimi would get my vote every single time. I could see Kimi cracking open the Finlandia and the stories would start flowing. With Lewis it'd be a few selfies, some s
te about how his music career is going if he spoke to you, after all he'd be wearing his sponsors headphones at the time.
^This.Kimi would get my vote every single time. I could see Kimi cracking open the Finlandia and the stories would start flowing. With Lewis it'd be a few selfies, some s
te about how his music career is going if he spoke to you, after all he'd be wearing his sponsors headphones at the time.I think Kimi as a driver needs the right car, but a lot of his fight is gone as he needs the whiff of a win. That is basically gone in poorer teams, and now Ferrari compromise his races massively to help Vettel out most of the time when he does do better than his teammate - throw an extra pit stop etc. So he doesn't see the point in really fighting as even if he does he'll end up in trouble anyway. Bit like the opposite of Alonso, who will fight anything - but fought too much and keep blowing up his bridges in style.
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