Goodbye Fernando...
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TobyTR said:
Yup, in order for a car's development to improve you need a good leader/Team Principal, great driver and a clever technical director steering the engineering team; 2012-14 Mercedes had all three, 2012-14 Ferrari only had the great driver.
Just watched Monaco 2007 again and Alonso's performance in that was other-worldly. One of his best drives imo
Of all his races that's a poor one to pick, Hamilton had faster race pace but was forced to hold station in second. Just watched Monaco 2007 again and Alonso's performance in that was other-worldly. One of his best drives imo
markcoznottz said:
TobyTR said:
Yup, in order for a car's development to improve you need a good leader/Team Principal, great driver and a clever technical director steering the engineering team; 2012-14 Mercedes had all three, 2012-14 Ferrari only had the great driver.
Just watched Monaco 2007 again and Alonso's performance in that was other-worldly. One of his best drives imo
Of all his races that's a poor one to pick, Hamilton had faster race pace but was forced to hold station in second. Just watched Monaco 2007 again and Alonso's performance in that was other-worldly. One of his best drives imo
deadslow said:
no, that's wrong. Alonso was in the lead in Monaco, with his team-mate behind him, therefore he was controlling the pace. Hammy could have gone quicker, but so could Alonso. Hamilton told the team as much, and was told to behave himself. The McLaren engineers, according to the recent book, thought Hamilton was acting like a right little prick.
Which page of what book did you get that line?"The McLaren engineers, according to the recent book, thought Hamilton was acting like a right little prick."
E34-3.2 said:
deadslow said:
no, that's wrong. Alonso was in the lead in Monaco, with his team-mate behind him, therefore he was controlling the pace. Hammy could have gone quicker, but so could Alonso. Hamilton told the team as much, and was told to behave himself. The McLaren engineers, according to the recent book, thought Hamilton was acting like a right little prick.
Which page of what book did you get that line?"The McLaren engineers, according to the recent book, thought Hamilton was acting like a right little prick."
Kccv23highliftcam said:
E34-3.2 said:
deadslow said:
no, that's wrong. Alonso was in the lead in Monaco, with his team-mate behind him, therefore he was controlling the pace. Hammy could have gone quicker, but so could Alonso. Hamilton told the team as much, and was told to behave himself. The McLaren engineers, according to the recent book, thought Hamilton was acting like a right little prick.
Which page of what book did you get that line?"The McLaren engineers, according to the recent book, thought Hamilton was acting like a right little prick."
t post.amgmcqueen said:
Alonso.....petulant berk who couldn't hack having a competitive teammate, spat his dummy out and then jumped from team to team until there were no bridges left to burn.
Loyalty has its rewards!
I think his peak misjudgement was Ferrari. Either Flavio mis-advised Alonso on Vettel's position, or someone took great pleasure in screwing Flavio by telling him that he was locked in, when in fact Vettel had a performance clause.Loyalty has its rewards!
Given Flavio's record, I always hope it was the latter.
markcoznottz said:
TobyTR said:
Yup, in order for a car's development to improve you need a good leader/Team Principal, great driver and a clever technical director steering the engineering team; 2012-14 Mercedes had all three, 2012-14 Ferrari only had the great driver.
Just watched Monaco 2007 again and Alonso's performance in that was other-worldly. One of his best drives imo
Of all his races that's a poor one to pick, Hamilton had faster race pace but was forced to hold station in second. Just watched Monaco 2007 again and Alonso's performance in that was other-worldly. One of his best drives imo
After the pit stop cycle, the gap between them was pretty much the same. It's true that McLaren did pit Hamilton earlier than planned, but he wasn't fast enough to make it work. In the second stint, the gap grew to 11 seconds.
Hamilton needed to find 4-5 seconds in the next 3 laps to emerge ahead of Alonso, which wasn't going to happen and since Hamilton was actively touching the barriers trying to do so McLaren called him into the pits. Alonso was on another level in Monaco. And that was when Lewis threw his toys out of the pram and the start of the clash between the two
Vaud said:
I think his peak misjudgement was Ferrari. Either Flavio mis-advised Alonso on Vettel's position, or someone took great pleasure in screwing Flavio by telling him that he was locked in, when in fact Vettel had a performance clause.
Given Flavio's record, I always hope it was the latter.
Yup, mixture of both. It was Mattiachi's narrow-minded stubborn behaviour to only want to do things his way, not allow Alonso technical input into the team and their personnel they hire, and Flavio calling Mattiachi's bluff/bad advice to Alonso which killed the contract from 2015 onwards. Given Flavio's record, I always hope it was the latter.
Mattiachi was given the boot soon after. Sad state of affairs and we were robbed of arguably even better title battles in 2016, last year and this year.
I wouldn’t disagree. Alonso is a genius in the cockpit, every equal for Hamilton in raw pace and arguably better at driving around a cars problems (as Schumacher could) in my view.
I’d rate his racecraft as the best on the grid right now, or equal to Hamilton. To see him in a Ferrari now... much as I admire Vettel the contest would be very, erm, different.
I’d rate his racecraft as the best on the grid right now, or equal to Hamilton. To see him in a Ferrari now... much as I admire Vettel the contest would be very, erm, different.
Exige77 said:
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