Goodbye Fernando...

Goodbye Fernando...

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cuprabob

7,553 posts

155 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Grahamdub said:
Nice that he let Nakajima take the flag too and didn't try and pull rank.
I suspect Alonso had no say in that and that Toyota wanted a Japanese driver in the car when it crossed the line.

Grahamdub

2,123 posts

84 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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cuprabob said:
I suspect Alonso had no say in that and that Toyota wanted a Japanese driver in the car when it crossed the line.
Maybe, but all the hype at LM seemed to be directed at Alonso. The other drivers barely got a mention.

E34-3.2

795 posts

20 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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TobyTR said:
"Alonso hasn't been the same driver since 2007" - really? Alonso's been even better the last 10 years. What a moron. "Took him to the cleaners in 2007" - no, they finished on equal points...

Funny how he didn't compare Alonso's performances to Hamilton throughout 2010-2013... Joe Saward is renowned in the industry for his bias. I'd take Brundle's opinion and many others in the industry over Saward.

As someone else mentioned above, if you've only been watching the Mercs & Ferraris this year then you won't notice what Alonso has been achieving. To be best-of-the-rest (Merc, Ferrari, Red Bull) at times when the Haas, Force India, Renault and at times Sauber are better than the McLaren says it all.

Not sure how anyone can say he hasn't achieved much in the last several years.


Edited by TobyTR on Wednesday 26th September 00:04
The way I see what Saward says is that mentally Alonso really got taken to the cleaner by Hamilton. So much that he blackmailed McLaren as he wasn't ready for a rookie to be as fast as him on his first season at the peak of his life. No he never been the same again after that as he knew another driver on the start line was faster than him and could only get better. It must have hurt him so much for Hamilton to be world champion the following year. Alonso is a fantastic driver but whatever people say, he finished behind a rookie in 2007 table and never been able after that to win a world title again.


CoolHands

9,423 posts

136 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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E34-3.2 said:
as he knew another driver on the start line was faster than him and could only get better.
Alonso doesn't 'know' anything of the sort. He believes he is faster. Better. They all do. Psychologically there's no way he thinks that.

Vaud

32,063 posts

96 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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E34-3.2 said:
The way I see what Saward says is that mentally Alonso really got taken to the cleaner by Hamilton. So much that he blackmailed McLaren as he wasn't ready for a rookie to be as fast as him on his first season at the peak of his life. No he never been the same again after that as he knew another driver on the start line was faster than him and could only get better. It must have hurt him so much for Hamilton to be world champion the following year. Alonso is a fantastic driver but whatever people say, he finished behind a rookie in 2007 table and never been able after that to win a world title again.
I agree. Saward is no fool or armchair blogger; he knows the paddock, TPs and many drivers and has been to every race for 20+ years.

Alonso being a genius driver, and not being quite the same since 2007 are not mutually exclusive statements.

On any given race day, he may also extract the most possible from the car.

But would you want him leading your team? I'd pick Lewis, Ocon and Ricciardo over him to lead. I'm undecided on Vettel; huge fan of his but this year is key.
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carinaman

13,403 posts

113 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Even the new, post Liberty buy out online F1 presence has pillaged the back catalogue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4lAn6iMpug

It's difficult to pick between Hamilton harrying Alonso at Monaco in 2007 and Hamilton and Kimi dicing in the wet at Spa in 2008.

Alonso got pole, fastest lap and the win. Hamilton got 'possibly' in the post race interview.

Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 26th September 22:17

TobyTR

420 posts

87 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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would Ocon or Ricciardo get better results than Alonso throughout a championship?

For that reason I would definitely have him in my team regardless

cocomerc

3 posts

8 months

Thursday 4th October 2018
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Great driver, remember the races with schumacher they were crazy!!! i guess all good things come to a end!!! good luck to him..

thegreenhell

5,486 posts

160 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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According to BBC R5L he's been offered €10M to do a full season of FE next year.

Hamsterdam

104 posts

75 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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thegreenhell said:
According to BBC R5L he's been offered €10M to do a full season of FE next year.
Less than half of what he’s on at McLaren.

Pericoloso

38,682 posts

104 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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Hamsterdam said:
thegreenhell said:
According to BBC R5L he's been offered €10M to do a full season of FE next year.
Less than half of what he’s on at McLaren.
I've no idea if he has an opportunity in Indycars ,or anywhere else but 10M is better than zero Ms.


jsf

12,768 posts

177 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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Pericoloso said:
I've no idea if he has an opportunity in Indycars ,or anywhere else but 10M is better than zero Ms.
You are asking a guy who just did indy and its high speeds and has more money than he needs to drive a milk float. Stop being silly.

thegreenhell

5,486 posts

160 months

Friday 19th October 2018
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Zak Brown said today that McLaren wouldn't be doing a full season of Indycar next year, but didn't rule out another shot at the Indy 500 for Alonso.

Teddy Lop

1,142 posts

8 months

Saturday 20th October 2018
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Hang on though, isn't Fred's constant whine been he wants more parity between cars so he can compete?

So he does LM in a car in a different class and turns his nose up at f.e. much as I don't think f.e. is all that, it would be a great opportunity for him to show everyone what they're losing, Shirley?

Blink982

396 posts

45 months

Saturday 20th October 2018
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I might actually watch FE with Fred in it. Did I just write that......

BraveSirRobin

823 posts

223 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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Seems like McLaren will be entering the 2019 Indy 500 with Alonso driving.
Don't McLaren have enough on their plate trying to get their 2019 F1 car somewhere near competitive? This is a distraction they don't need.
Thoroughly fed up of this triple-crown "quest" now. The LeMans victory was a hollow one anyway.

Vaud

32,063 posts

96 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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Are they leading the entry and building or leveraging another team and branding it?

DanielSan

13,936 posts

108 months

Saturday 10th November 2018
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I'd imagine it'll be an orange Andretti car again.

OFORBES

183 posts

41 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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BraveSirRobin said:
Seems like McLaren will be entering the 2019 Indy 500 with Alonso driving.
Don't McLaren have enough on their plate trying to get their 2019 F1 car somewhere near competitive? This is a distraction they don't need.
Thoroughly fed up of this triple-crown "quest" now. The LeMans victory was a hollow one anyway.
^^ - This.

Couldn't agree more. Zak Brown needs to get his tongue out of Alonso and focus on returning one of the most successful British F1 teams to a higher grid position rather than distracting themselves with pursuing a dream for Nando.

I understand why Fernando wants to achieve the triple crown and he perhaps wouldn't be so hung up on it if he had won more titles in F1, but McLaren need to focus on their F1 entry before going after other things...

Otherwise they will become jack of all trades, master of none in the motorsport world.

CoolHands

9,423 posts

136 months

Wednesday 14th November 2018
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yeah but their strategy might just be to raise the name (for purpose of roadcar sales) in american consciousness, so the cost / distraction is irrelevant