Goodbye Fernando...

Goodbye Fernando...

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Vaud

32,040 posts

96 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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BaronVonVaderham said:
I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given indentical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
I agree, but it has never been a spec series...

Dr Murdoch

2,422 posts

76 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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E30M3ZONE said:
Great great driver. Good riddance.
Its not a personality contest.

Do you not want the 'great great'drivers to race each other?

or maybe get in another Stroll or two?

BaronVonVaderham

1,940 posts

88 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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Vaud said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given indentical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
I agree, but it has never been a spec series...
Absolutely and I’m not suggesting F1 should be, I meant more of an M1 procars type of thing.

ELUSIVEJIM

5,577 posts

92 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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Vaud

32,040 posts

96 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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BaronVonVaderham said:
Vaud said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given indentical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
I agree, but it has never been a spec series...
Absolutely and I’m not suggesting F1 should be, I meant more of an M1 procars type of thing.
Ah... understood. Agreed. I'd love to see a warm up race on Fridays with identical spec cars.
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rallycross

9,881 posts

178 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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BaronVonVaderham said:
Adios Fernando, you are one of the best!

F1 will be poorer as a result of him not driving.

I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given identical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
+1 what a shame McLaren and Ferrari could not have given him a better car, forget the politics etc he is still without doubt one of the fastest/fiesty-est/most committed drivers in F1.

The sport is less without him on the grid (I'm not really a fan of him, just appreciate that he is something quite special in a racing car and lets face it, who-ever is brought in to replace him will be nothing quite like Fernando).

amgmcqueen

1,445 posts

91 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
+1

The same could be said of Mansell.

Condi

7,856 posts

112 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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I hope he goes away, wins in IndyCar and is offered a return in a competitive car.

If not just because of the talent behind the wheel, but the personality on the radio and in front of the camera.

Exige77

3,428 posts

132 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
A bit OTT me thinks


Bradgate

2,094 posts

88 months

Tuesday 14th August 2018
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I didn’t realise that Fernando will not drive for Mercedes while Dr Z remains in charge as he still holds a grudge against the Spaniard for 2007. It underlines the point, however, that the true greats of F1 are smart enough not to alienate powerful decision makers and burn bridges with the best teams.

paua

1,107 posts

84 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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amgmcqueen said:
Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
+1

The same could be said of Mansell.
Mansell was the very epitomy of the "whinging pom". And Prost whupped his arse in the same team.

Horsey McHorseface

1,420 posts

125 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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Would it be fair to question his development skills, seeing as how MacLaren have stagnated?

Norfolkit

2,077 posts

131 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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BaronVonVaderham said:
I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given indentical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
Interesting theory as he couldn't beat a rookie in an identical car.



LDN

6,217 posts

144 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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A shame indeed, but overdue. It’s been hard watching him in such a st car. An architect of his own downfall indeed; a career severely compromised by his own ego / arrogance / naivety... he was poison after the 07 McLaren fiasco. Should have just raced Lewis on equal terms and not been so hell bent on number one status. Shame.

TobyTR

420 posts

87 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
Nailed it.

Regarding Schumacher finding his way into the best car, he went to a dog of a Ferrari team at the time and with his connections, persistence, talent and work ethic, helped turn them into the dominant force. That was probably the riskiest move in F1 history.

I really wish Alonso stayed at Ferrari for 2015 onwards... that would've been mega. Hey-ho.

Over 100 million in the bank and a legacy cemented as one of the greatest F1 drivers ever.

TobyTR

420 posts

87 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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paua said:
amgmcqueen said:
Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
+1

The same could be said of Mansell.
Mansell was the very epitomy of the "whinging pom". And Prost whupped his arse in the same team.
Mansell was exceptional.

Are you an antipodean? I've always found it amusing when the phrase 'pom' gets thrown about by Aussies and NZers - more often than not their ancestors are from Great Britain.

Nardiola

1,066 posts

160 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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Exige77 said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
A bit OTT me thinks
Agreed, parts of it read like Sniff Petrol's. F1 journalist Trentham Sleaves has written it.

Grahamdub

2,110 posts

84 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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I'd like to see him in a McLaren hypercar in the WEC 2020. I guess he will be popular with the press at Silverstone next weekend.

Sa Calobra

28,350 posts

152 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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TobyTR said:
Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
Nailed it.

Regarding Schumacher finding his way into the best car, he went to a dog of a Ferrari team at the time and with his connections, persistence, talent and work ethic, helped turn them into the dominant force. That was probably the riskiest move in F1 history.

I really wish Alonso stayed at Ferrari for 2015 onwards... that would've been mega. Hey-ho.

Over 100 million in the bank and a legacy cemented as one of the greatest F1 drivers ever.
Only a few points away..using that thinking being mentioned a few times then we would have:

Damon Hill four times WDC
Lewis Hamilton six times WDC

Sorry I didn't rate Alonso. A devisive character and not a complete driver who could develop a car.

He was beaten by a rookie at the height of his talent.

Lewis went to a team that everyone said he was mad to join. Look at how that turned out?

Alonso took a good car/team at Ferrari and slagged it off and left bad blood.

Blames everyone but himself.

robbom3

238 posts

168 months

Wednesday 15th August 2018
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I’ve always despised Alonso the man, but still believe he is one of the greatest drivers of his generation. Unfortunately, he had a “win at any cost” mentality, which sometimes meant he crossed the cheat line. No one will ever convince me that he wasn’t complicit in the “crash gate” affair, and yet he walked away unpunished. He also blew the whistle on his own team in 2007, just because they wouldn’t give him preferential treatment over a very young Lewis Hamilton. Ok, you could argue he was doing the right thing, but it was for purely selfish reasons. You could also argue that that was the start of McLarens dramatic slide, from which they’ve never recovered.
Fantastic talent behind the wheel, but a deeply unpleasant individual everywhere else.