Goodbye Fernando...
Discussion
Vaud said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given indentical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
I agree, but it has never been a spec series...BaronVonVaderham said:
Vaud said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given indentical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
I agree, but it has never been a spec series...BaronVonVaderham said:
Adios Fernando, you are one of the best!
F1 will be poorer as a result of him not driving.
I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given identical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
+1 what a shame McLaren and Ferrari could not have given him a better car, forget the politics etc he is still without doubt one of the fastest/fiesty-est/most committed drivers in F1.F1 will be poorer as a result of him not driving.
I honestly believe that if the current crop of F1 drivers were given identical cars he would be be winning most of the races.
The sport is less without him on the grid (I'm not really a fan of him, just appreciate that he is something quite special in a racing car and lets face it, who-ever is brought in to replace him will be nothing quite like Fernando).
Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
+1The same could be said of Mansell.
I didn’t realise that Fernando will not drive for Mercedes while Dr Z remains in charge as he still holds a grudge against the Spaniard for 2007. It underlines the point, however, that the true greats of F1 are smart enough not to alienate powerful decision makers and burn bridges with the best teams.
amgmcqueen said:
Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
+1The same could be said of Mansell.
A shame indeed, but overdue. It’s been hard watching him in such a s
t car. An architect of his own downfall indeed; a career severely compromised by his own ego / arrogance / naivety... he was poison after the 07 McLaren fiasco. Should have just raced Lewis on equal terms and not been so hell bent on number one status. Shame.
t car. An architect of his own downfall indeed; a career severely compromised by his own ego / arrogance / naivety... he was poison after the 07 McLaren fiasco. Should have just raced Lewis on equal terms and not been so hell bent on number one status. Shame.Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
Nailed it.Regarding Schumacher finding his way into the best car, he went to a dog of a Ferrari team at the time and with his connections, persistence, talent and work ethic, helped turn them into the dominant force. That was probably the riskiest move in F1 history.
I really wish Alonso stayed at Ferrari for 2015 onwards... that would've been mega. Hey-ho.
Over 100 million in the bank and a legacy cemented as one of the greatest F1 drivers ever.
paua said:
amgmcqueen said:
Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
+1The same could be said of Mansell.
Are you an antipodean? I've always found it amusing when the phrase 'pom' gets thrown about by Aussies and NZers - more often than not their ancestors are from Great Britain.
Exige77 said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
A bit OTT me thinks TobyTR said:
Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
Nailed it.Regarding Schumacher finding his way into the best car, he went to a dog of a Ferrari team at the time and with his connections, persistence, talent and work ethic, helped turn them into the dominant force. That was probably the riskiest move in F1 history.
I really wish Alonso stayed at Ferrari for 2015 onwards... that would've been mega. Hey-ho.
Over 100 million in the bank and a legacy cemented as one of the greatest F1 drivers ever.
Damon Hill four times WDC
Lewis Hamilton six times WDC
Sorry I didn't rate Alonso. A devisive character and not a complete driver who could develop a car.
He was beaten by a rookie at the height of his talent.
Lewis went to a team that everyone said he was mad to join. Look at how that turned out?
Alonso took a good car/team at Ferrari and slagged it off and left bad blood.
Blames everyone but himself.
I’ve always despised Alonso the man, but still believe he is one of the greatest drivers of his generation. Unfortunately, he had a “win at any cost” mentality, which sometimes meant he crossed the cheat line. No one will ever convince me that he wasn’t complicit in the “crash gate” affair, and yet he walked away unpunished. He also blew the whistle on his own team in 2007, just because they wouldn’t give him preferential treatment over a very young Lewis Hamilton. Ok, you could argue he was doing the right thing, but it was for purely selfish reasons. You could also argue that that was the start of McLarens dramatic slide, from which they’ve never recovered.
Fantastic talent behind the wheel, but a deeply unpleasant individual everywhere else.
Fantastic talent behind the wheel, but a deeply unpleasant individual everywhere else.
Sa Calobra said:
TobyTR said:
Salamura said:
Goodbye to the best F1 driver of a generation. Immensely talented and quick, he could and should have won more races and championships, but for a number of reasons, some external, some due to himself, and some just pure bad luck, 2 WDC is what he'll stay in history with. A living proof, if you ever needed one, that numbers don't tell the whole story...
Nailed it.Regarding Schumacher finding his way into the best car, he went to a dog of a Ferrari team at the time and with his connections, persistence, talent and work ethic, helped turn them into the dominant force. That was probably the riskiest move in F1 history.
I really wish Alonso stayed at Ferrari for 2015 onwards... that would've been mega. Hey-ho.
Over 100 million in the bank and a legacy cemented as one of the greatest F1 drivers ever.
Damon Hill four times WDC
Lewis Hamilton six times WDC
Sorry I didn't rate Alonso. A devisive character and not a complete driver who could develop a car.
He was beaten by a rookie at the height of his talent.
Lewis went to a team that everyone said he was mad to join. Look at how that turned out?
Alonso took a good car/team at Ferrari and slagged it off and left bad blood.
Blames everyone but himself.
1. Hamilton beat Alonso by scoring one more 2nd place finish than Alonso throughout 2007. Button beat Hamilton in 2011 by a considerable number of points margin at the height of both their careers... What is your point?
2. Not everyone said he was mad to join Mercedes - there's a whole thread in itself on that. There were just as many industry insiders saying it could be a good move for Hamilton to Mercedes. Certainly not on the same par as Schumacher to Ferrari in 1996.
3. The Ferrari 2010-2014 wasn't a top-2 car. Third or fourth best car at that time more like.
4. Probably.
Makes me laugh when fans don't rate Alonso.
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