Jacques Villeneuve
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Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
A44RON said:
Irvine and Johnny Herbert both say how Schumacher was head & shoulders above the rest from post Senna 1994 to 2004, only driver getting close being Hakinen from '98-2000.And after 2000 Hakinen wanted no more.
There's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
Great driver, but a massive tThere's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
t.Unless you're implying that him pulling all these nasty stunts was all CGIed by the media? Because that's what it seems like to me.
He was a racing driver not a UN peace worker. He was only concerned with winning and once or twice he went too far..... but so did Senna and he's revered as a saint.... no doubt you'll mention 'our Damon' next .... Schumacher may have had his moments, but he also drove some utterly stunning races and those are what I remember as much as Jerez and Monaco.
If that makes him a massive t**t in your eyes then fine, but I think he is one of the top 3 drivers to ever grace the sport and I am very glad to have met him before his tragic accident as a nicer guy you couldn't hope to meet.
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
A44RON said:
Irvine and Johnny Herbert both say how Schumacher was head & shoulders above the rest from post Senna 1994 to 2004, only driver getting close being Hakinen from '98-2000.And after 2000 Hakinen wanted no more.
There's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
Great driver, but a massive tThere's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
t.Unless you're implying that him pulling all these nasty stunts was all CGIed by the media? Because that's what it seems like to me.
He was a racing driver not a UN peace worker. He was only concerned with winning and once or twice he went too far..... but so did Senna and he's revered as a saint.... no doubt you'll mention 'our Damon' next .... Schumacher may have had his moments, but he also drove some utterly stunning races and those are what I remember as much as Jerez and Monaco.
If that makes him a massive t**t in your eyes then fine, but I think he is one of the top 3 drivers to ever grace the sport and I am very glad to have met him before his tragic accident as a nicer guy you couldn't hope to meet.
glazbagun said:
Regarding his going to BAR being a terrible choice.
I think the phrase 'going to' is a bit of a misnomer.BAR was set up by his manager Craig Pollock (his former skiing instructor) who convinced BAT to bankroll the purchase of Tyrrell to create a new team out of the old. Villeneuve was part of the package offered to BAT and, IRC, Villeneuve was offered a shareholding in the team/company as part of the lure to join. I'm fairly certain that such a venture was not of his choosing.
Vaud said:
Reminds me of this story of Senna
http://www.ayrton-senna.net/the-story-of-the-movin...
“It was very hot and a terribly difficult race. Ayrton had a bit of a mixed bag: he´d qualified all right, thought the car was Ok, he´d early in the race and had to work his way back, but was heading towards a reasonable if not stunning finish. Then he clipped the wall, damaged a wheel and broke a drivershaft. After the race he was distraught and really couldn´t understand how he´d hit the wall. We were sitting talking, debriefing, and he said: ‘It´s impossible I hit the wall. The wall moved’.
I said, ‘Yeah, sure it did…’ They were huge great concrete blocks…But he was so insistent, and I had so much confidence in the guy, that I said, ‘Ok, we´ve just got to go and look at this’. I did think he was talking bks but he needed to go and see it. So we walked out to where he´d hit the wall and do you know what? The wall had moved. I was made of the great big concrete blocks that they used to delineate the circuit, but what be happened was that someone had hit the far end of a block and pushed it, which made the leading edge come out a few millimetres. He was driving with such precision that those few millimetres, and I´m talking probably ten millimetres, were enough for him to hit the wall that time rather than just miss it”.
I remember that. What a great story. But seeing something like this with your own eyes it was an unbelievable memory that will always stay with me. It's a shame that the old days of having a mate get you up close to the action have now gone as it's hard for us to judge these things from a distance.http://www.ayrton-senna.net/the-story-of-the-movin...
“It was very hot and a terribly difficult race. Ayrton had a bit of a mixed bag: he´d qualified all right, thought the car was Ok, he´d early in the race and had to work his way back, but was heading towards a reasonable if not stunning finish. Then he clipped the wall, damaged a wheel and broke a drivershaft. After the race he was distraught and really couldn´t understand how he´d hit the wall. We were sitting talking, debriefing, and he said: ‘It´s impossible I hit the wall. The wall moved’.
I said, ‘Yeah, sure it did…’ They were huge great concrete blocks…But he was so insistent, and I had so much confidence in the guy, that I said, ‘Ok, we´ve just got to go and look at this’. I did think he was talking b
ks but he needed to go and see it. So we walked out to where he´d hit the wall and do you know what? The wall had moved. I was made of the great big concrete blocks that they used to delineate the circuit, but what be happened was that someone had hit the far end of a block and pushed it, which made the leading edge come out a few millimetres. He was driving with such precision that those few millimetres, and I´m talking probably ten millimetres, were enough for him to hit the wall that time rather than just miss it”.I've warmed to him and Eddie Irvine in recent years - they're blunt and tell it how it is.
On YouTube there's a journalist who's done similar interviews with Irvine over 18 episodes throughout 2016 and 2017; highly recommended viewing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-IdrYM86KY
He gives very honest fair insight into the world of F1 while he was in it and the shape of it more recently.
Each episode he has a different alcoholic beverage in hand and is always somewhere exotic "I've just flown to Toronto from Miami to pick up another private jet" etc. Fair play to him
On YouTube there's a journalist who's done similar interviews with Irvine over 18 episodes throughout 2016 and 2017; highly recommended viewing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-IdrYM86KY
He gives very honest fair insight into the world of F1 while he was in it and the shape of it more recently.
Each episode he has a different alcoholic beverage in hand and is always somewhere exotic
"I've just flown to Toronto from Miami to pick up another private jet" etc. Fair play to himSam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
A44RON said:
Irvine and Johnny Herbert both say how Schumacher was head & shoulders above the rest from post Senna 1994 to 2004, only driver getting close being Hakinen from '98-2000.And after 2000 Hakinen wanted no more.
There's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
Great driver, but a massive tThere's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
t.Unless you're implying that him pulling all these nasty stunts was all CGIed by the media? Because that's what it seems like to me.
He was a racing driver not a UN peace worker. He was only concerned with winning and once or twice he went too far..... but so did Senna and he's revered as a saint.... no doubt you'll mention 'our Damon' next .... Schumacher may have had his moments, but he also drove some utterly stunning races and those are what I remember as much as Jerez and Monaco.
If that makes him a massive t**t in your eyes then fine, but I think he is one of the top 3 drivers to ever grace the sport and I am very glad to have met him before his tragic accident as a nicer guy you couldn't hope to meet.
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
A44RON said:
Irvine and Johnny Herbert both say how Schumacher was head & shoulders above the rest from post Senna 1994 to 2004, only driver getting close being Hakinen from '98-2000.And after 2000 Hakinen wanted no more.
There's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
Great driver, but a massive tThere's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
t.Unless you're implying that him pulling all these nasty stunts was all CGIed by the media? Because that's what it seems like to me.
He was a racing driver not a UN peace worker. He was only concerned with winning and once or twice he went too far..... but so did Senna and he's revered as a saint.... no doubt you'll mention 'our Damon' next .... Schumacher may have had his moments, but he also drove some utterly stunning races and those are what I remember as much as Jerez and Monaco.
If that makes him a massive t**t in your eyes then fine, but I think he is one of the top 3 drivers to ever grace the sport and I am very glad to have met him before his tragic accident as a nicer guy you couldn't hope to meet.
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
A44RON said:
Irvine and Johnny Herbert both say how Schumacher was head & shoulders above the rest from post Senna 1994 to 2004, only driver getting close being Hakinen from '98-2000.And after 2000 Hakinen wanted no more.
There's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
Great driver, but a massive tThere's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
t.Unless you're implying that him pulling all these nasty stunts was all CGIed by the media? Because that's what it seems like to me.
He was a racing driver not a UN peace worker. He was only concerned with winning and once or twice he went too far..... but so did Senna and he's revered as a saint.... no doubt you'll mention 'our Damon' next .... Schumacher may have had his moments, but he also drove some utterly stunning races and those are what I remember as much as Jerez and Monaco.
If that makes him a massive t**t in your eyes then fine, but I think he is one of the top 3 drivers to ever grace the sport and I am very glad to have met him before his tragic accident as a nicer guy you couldn't hope to meet.
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
cb1965 said:
Sam993 said:
A44RON said:
Irvine and Johnny Herbert both say how Schumacher was head & shoulders above the rest from post Senna 1994 to 2004, only driver getting close being Hakinen from '98-2000.And after 2000 Hakinen wanted no more.
There's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
Great driver, but a massive tThere's telemetry footage on YouTube somewhere comparing Schumacher's apex and exit speed to Herbert's and the difference is night and day. Suppose that's what separates the good from the phenomenal
t.Unless you're implying that him pulling all these nasty stunts was all CGIed by the media? Because that's what it seems like to me.
He was a racing driver not a UN peace worker. He was only concerned with winning and once or twice he went too far..... but so did Senna and he's revered as a saint.... no doubt you'll mention 'our Damon' next .... Schumacher may have had his moments, but he also drove some utterly stunning races and those are what I remember as much as Jerez and Monaco.
If that makes him a massive t**t in your eyes then fine, but I think he is one of the top 3 drivers to ever grace the sport and I am very glad to have met him before his tragic accident as a nicer guy you couldn't hope to meet.
markcoznottz said:
Schu and hakkinen were both demon left foot brakers. Hakkinen was so precise he could even operate that third fiddler brake pedal. Most drivers at that time were still trying to right foot brake with a semi auto box, which was always slower, all things being equal. Herbert was like brundle by then, a dinosaur .
To be fair to both Brundle & Herbert, they suffered from ankle breaks (Brundle in Dallas GP in '84, Herbert in F3000 Brands in '88) that compromised their ability to left foot brake.jaa1aut said:
To be fair to both Brundle & Herbert, they suffered from ankle breaks (Brundle in Dallas GP in '84, Herbert in F3000 Brands in '88) that compromised their ability to left foot brake.
For Herbert, it compromised his ability to walk. His parents used to have a stall at his races and they liked nothing better than to talk about him, as long as you bought something. Whilst there might have been a certain bias in their point of view, some of the comments they made about life in racing were astonishing. Lovely couple but they didn't like you just walking away, wallet still in your pocket.
They didn't talk much about his injuries, at least when I was there. They mentioned pain though when he was driving.
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