Sainz to McLaren

Sainz to McLaren

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hammo19

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2,062 posts

144 months

Thursday 16th August 2018
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From 2019 - good move for McLaren

garyhun

27,887 posts

176 months

Thursday 16th August 2018
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Is it a good move for Sainz though?

Let’s hope McLaren have a good 2019 car.

ELUSIVEJIM

7,622 posts

99 months

Thursday 16th August 2018
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Sainz has been disappointing at Renault.

I don't think it's a great move for all concerned.

mcholeboy_59

103 posts

25 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Weird how really not that long ago, he was more than a match for max during their time at TR and ever since then he's looked..... well.. just average

Likes Fast Cars

2,584 posts

113 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Will be good to see how he goes there, he's a talented driver, 2019 will tell.

But it really depends on McL next year and how they go about their racing and how good the car is. They need to take a step forward that's for sure.

Teppic

5,483 posts

205 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Likes Fast Cars said:
Will be good to see how he goes there, he's a talented driver, 2019 will tell.

But it really depends on McL next year and how they go about their racing and how good the car is. They need to take a step massive leap forward that's for sure.
EFA.

super7

623 posts

156 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Shows that even though Alonso has moved on to Indycar with McLaren he's still pulling the strings when it comes to influencing Zak Brown....

Sainz is a good peddlar but got overlooked by his own driver scheme at Red Bull in favour of Verstappen, and now dropped completly by the scheme in favour of Gasly and he's been no faster than Hulkenburg who has consistently beat him this season? He's not a driver on the 'up'. The only benefit will be estrella sponsorship and a safe pair of hands if your going to risk another Hamilton in the second seat...aka Norris!

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I have never really liked Alonso, especially after his antics back in 2007 when he 'dobbed in his team' and cost them $100m in fines because Hamitlon was wipping his backside... He's a kid who throws his toys out the pram and I can never understand how he got invited back to the team bearing in mind how unloyal he was and what he cost them He's now treated like a god by Zak Brown and can do no wrong.







Edited by super7 on Friday 17th August 09:57

thegreenhell

6,289 posts

167 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Sainz has been disappointing at Renault.

I don't think it's a great move for all concerned.
I sort of agree, but I don't think either driver or team had many other options than to pair up. If RBR didn't want him, where else in F1 could Sainz have realistically gone? On that basis, McLaren was probably his best option, especially if they can finally live up to expectation and start get that performance curve pointing upwards.

Similarly for McLaren, who traditionally want an established 'name' driver, if not a champion. Sainz just about qualifies there, with a bit of his father's reflected glory and Alonso's recommendation. Who else is available and better than Sainz? Vandoorne doesn't come across as a team leader, or certainly not for a team such as McLaren.

ELUSIVEJIM

7,622 posts

99 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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thegreenhell said:
I sort of agree, but I don't think either driver or team had many other options than to pair up. If RBR didn't want him, where else in F1 could Sainz have realistically gone? On that basis, McLaren was probably his best option, especially if they can finally live up to expectation and start get that performance curve pointing upwards.

Similarly for McLaren, who traditionally want an established 'name' driver, if not a champion. Sainz just about qualifies there, with a bit of his father's reflected glory and Alonso's recommendation. Who else is available and better than Sainz? Vandoorne doesn't come across as a team leader, or certainly not for a team such as McLaren.
Yes this is the issue. Both parties had little choice.

On a different note Alonso basically gave up waiting for the McLaren to come good. If he had won a race this year then he would have continued IMO.

I also think Alonso was clearly looking elsewhere for 2019 but the big teams were clearly not interested. Kimi IMO will be at Ferrari in 2019.

I am just not sure if McLaren will keep Vandoorne.

They keep stating that they are not disappointed with him and Alonso also tried to big him up before retiring but when you need the team and your star driver to state this then his head is clearly on the block.

Yes he is still young but I have not seem one bit of magic from him.



Vaud

33,966 posts

103 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Do we need another thread? We have McLaren as a thread, Goodbye Fernando and the outstanding «The Official F1 2019 silly season *contains speculation*» threads...

Deesee

3,243 posts

31 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Good for Sainz, earnt his spurs at TR and Renault, McLaren are still a name you would want to drive for, and they can only go one way!


cuprabob

8,160 posts

162 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
I am just not sure if McLaren will keep Vandoorne.

Yes he is still young but I have not seem one bit of magic from him.
His first drive in F1 when he replaced Alonso was pretty good with a 10th place finish in Bahrain. Sadly though he's not followed it up.

garyhun

27,887 posts

176 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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super7 said:
I have never really liked Alonso, especially after his antics back in 2007 when he 'dobbed in his team' and cost them $100m in fines because Hamitlon was wipping his backside.
Just as a point of order. Wasn’t it Ron Dennis himself who told Max Mosley about the Ferrari information? My understanding was Alonso threatened it and by the time he was ready to apologise, Dennis had already done the deed.

He’s no saint, he’s made a few bad decisions but he’s one of the greats and I’ve always liked him.

Norfolkit

2,246 posts

138 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Deesee said:
Good for Sainz, earnt his spurs at TR and Renault, McLaren are still a name you would want to drive for, and they can only go one way!
Earned his spurs how exactly.

In the races since Sainz joined Renault, Hulkenberg has outscored him 60-36 despite having 2 more DNFs.

At Toro Rosso he had his arse properly handed to him by Max 62-22, Max's best finish was 4th (twice), Sainz's was 7th (once).

Dull and unimaginitive choice by Mclaren, probably admitting the next 2 seasons are write offs.


Deesee

3,243 posts

31 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Norfolkit said:
Earned his spurs how exactly.

In the races since Sainz joined Renault, Hulkenberg has outscored him 60-36 despite having 2 more DNFs.

At Toro Rosso he had his arse properly handed to him by Max 62-22, Max's best finish was 4th (twice), Sainz's was 7th (once).

Dull and unimaginitive choice by Mclaren, probably admitting the next 2 seasons are write offs.
I’m one of Hulkenberg fans, so yes he’s not in his class (presently) so ’ll happliy conceed that.

Max well he’s the second coming right?!? Red bull spec team/s have bet the farm on him.

He’s done enough to warrant a drive, drives well, quali well, got decent people behind him.

rallycross

10,440 posts

185 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Carlos Jnr is a very underrated driver, its a shame to see him get manouvered out / into McLaren, his talents are far better than their current shambles set up deserves, let hope they start getting back on form it would be a shame if his career fades due to ending up there.

DS240

3,054 posts

166 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Unlucky Carlos.

Norfolkit

2,246 posts

138 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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rallycross said:
Carlos Jnr is a very underrated driver, its a shame to see him get manouvered out / into McLaren, his talents are far better than their current shambles set up deserves, let hope they start getting back on form it would be a shame if his career fades due to ending up there.
But why do yo think he's a very underrated diver?
Genuinely interested why because I just can't see it.

rallycross

10,440 posts

185 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Norfolkit said:
But why do yo think he's a very underrated diver?
Genuinely interested why because I just can't see it.
Looks like most people on this thread think the same and I am surprised by that - he’s proved how quick he was alongside Max V - and he has had far less incidents than Max: redbull is a strange set up that typically favours one driver (both teams) and I would bet that Carlos in an equal set up would be right there with Max in equal cars, what better benchmark than MV?

Piginapoke

910 posts

133 months

Friday 17th August 2018
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Average driver to average team