The Official 2018 Italian Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
Discussion
Deesee said:
Johnny Raydome said:
Deesee said:
DS240 said:
freddytin said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Lovin' this comment..... Grazie ragazzi grande machina mamma mia tutti frutti bellisiimo 
Straight onto YouTube....
Oh, is that it!
Johnny Raydome said:
This is excellent 
But I hope it isn't. It's gone like that for so many races, and the bad luck reached a peak in Spa. It's about time for a Kimi weekend.
ajprice said:
Deesee said:
DS240 said:
freddytin said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Lovin' this comment..... Grazie ragazzi grande machina mamma mia tutti frutti bellisiimo Straight onto YouTube....
Oh, is that it!
k sake, sorry guys" audio from the German GP crash on it 
https://twitter.com/JoshuaBurchF1/status/103509903...
These won’t be their current race cars though I wouldn’t have thought. Old car dressed up as this years perhaps. I doubt anything still required for this race or indeed season will be on those cars.
paulguitar said:
Kraken said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
Yes yes that will please the hyper-milers but that extra 2.2kg of fuel spent per lap used to sound divine.
Each to their own. After half an hour of it I was sick to death of it and everyone in the stand had ear defenders on. It's a great sound that you always remember the first time you hear it in person but it quickly pales.I've been to 1 in the hybrid era. People were actually laughing at the sound of the cars.
Similarly as a guest of Renaultsport I was in the Redbull garage at silverstone in 2012 and when Vettels car was fired up it was a violently loud and spine tingling moment.
The smell in the garages was also intoxicating.
I’ve not been in the turbo era and I’ve no plans to attend, however I’m hopeful that the next set of engine regs will restore some of the drama and visceralness to the formula.
I for one do not care about thermal efficiency, it’s just not exciting. F1’s job is not to save the planet, it is to entertain.
DS240 said:
ajprice said:
Deesee said:
DS240 said:
freddytin said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Lovin' this comment..... Grazie ragazzi grande machina mamma mia tutti frutti bellisiimo Straight onto YouTube....
Oh, is that it!
k sake, sorry guys" audio from the German GP crash on it https://twitter.com/JoshuaBurchF1/status/103509903...
These won’t be their current race cars though I wouldn’t have thought. Old car dressed up as this years perhaps. I doubt anything still required for this race or indeed season will be on those cars.
BaronVonVaderham said:
paulguitar said:
Kraken said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
Yes yes that will please the hyper-milers but that extra 2.2kg of fuel spent per lap used to sound divine.
Each to their own. After half an hour of it I was sick to death of it and everyone in the stand had ear defenders on. It's a great sound that you always remember the first time you hear it in person but it quickly pales.I've been to 1 in the hybrid era. People were actually laughing at the sound of the cars.
Similarly as a guest of Renaultsport I was in the Redbull garage at silverstone in 2012 and when Vettels car was fired up it was a violently loud and spine tingling moment.
The smell in the garages was also intoxicating.
I’ve not been in the turbo era and I’ve no plans to attend, however I’m hopeful that the next set of engine regs will restore some of the drama and visceralness to the formula.
I for one do not care about thermal efficiency, it’s just not exciting. F1’s job is not to save the planet, it is to entertain.
DS240 said:
Read about the steering wheel being blamed.
These won’t be their current race cars though I wouldn’t have thought. Old car dressed up as this years perhaps. I doubt anything still required for this race or indeed season will be on those cars.
It’s a current car, probably from Barcelona testing.These won’t be their current race cars though I wouldn’t have thought. Old car dressed up as this years perhaps. I doubt anything still required for this race or indeed season will be on those cars.
Thanks for the OP, OP, but can we keep the Dr.Z™ timing table format? I came perilously close to missing the Spa start by 1hr as I can't deal with change or read properly.
Think this is right for Monza:
Think this is right for Monza:
| Session | Day | Sky F1 | Channel 4 | Session Start | Local Time |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Drivers Press Conference | Thursday | 17.00 | |||
| Practice 1 | Friday | 09.45 | 10:00 | 11:00 | |
| Practice 2 | Friday | 13.45 | 14:00 | 15:00 | |
| Practice 3 | Saturday | 10.45 | 11:00 | 12:00 | |
| Qualifying | Saturday | 13.00 | 17.00 | 14:00 | 15:00 |
| Race | Sunday | 12.30 | 17.00 | 14:10 | 15:10 |
Deesee said:
First ever GP car I heard live was a V12 Mclaren Honda, seen the devolution through the 10’s and 8’s, the V6t-h is where we are now, and to me this is the best racing in the last 20 yrs.
Well, the quality of the racing itself is, of course, a separate issue to the sound of the cars.I can’t agree that we are at any kind of ‘high point’ with current racing. The usual situation is that it is almost always very processional without the intervention of a safely car, as the current cars simply can’t get close enough to race each other due to dirty air.
TheInternet said:
Thanks for the OP, OP, but can we keep the Dr.Z™ timing table format? I came perilously close to missing the Spa start by 1hr as I can't deal with change or read properly.
Think this is right for Monza:
Apologies, must admit the spa one was done at approx 2 am on on the Sunday before after a few beers and more than a few vodkas (neighbours had a party), and no one had started the thread yet, and we are thankful for DR Z for doing the thread through the year, (and creating a template) I must admit the table format had beaten me my 3.30 am, with very crossed eyes and having to review, preview and losing content, I then decided to cut and paste from F1.com (less one hour for uk time).Think this is right for Monza:
| Session | Day | Sky F1 | Channel 4 | Session Start | Local Time |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Drivers Press Conference | Thursday | 17.00 | |||
| Practice 1 | Friday | 09.45 | 10:00 | 11:00 | |
| Practice 2 | Friday | 13.45 | 14:00 | 15:00 | |
| Practice 3 | Saturday | 10.45 | 11:00 | 12:00 | |
| Qualifying | Saturday | 13.00 | 17.00 | 14:00 | 15:00 |
| Race | Sunday | 12.30 | 17.00 | 14:10 | 15:10 |
(Btw this week was almost as bad)!!!!
I’ll cut and paste your guide as above, but would ask as you’ve put your head out of the trench that you take on the next two races..
Gracie ragazie, rat a tat rat, get in there Lewis.
Edited by Deesee on Thursday 30th August 20:33
paulguitar said:
Deesee said:
First ever GP car I heard live was a V12 Mclaren Honda, seen the devolution through the 10’s and 8’s, the V6t-h is where we are now, and to me this is the best racing in the last 20 yrs.
Well, the quality of the racing itself is, of course, a separate issue to the sound of the cars.I can’t agree that we are at any kind of ‘high point’ with current racing. The usual situation is that it is almost always very processional without the intervention of a safely car, as the current cars simply can’t get close enough to race each other due to dirty air.
Lets not go back to a refuelling class where the only overtakes (and race wins) are in the pit lane and on a TV commercial.
Deesee said:
Apologies, must admit the spa one was done at approx 2 am on on the Sunday before after a few beers and more than a few vodkas (neighbours had a party), and no one had started the thread yet, and we are thankful for DR Z for doing the thread through the year, (and creating a template) I must admit the table format had beaten me my 3.30 am, with very crossed eyes and having to review, preview and losing content, I then decided to cut and paste from F1.com (less one hour for uk time).
(Btw this week was almost as bad)!!!!
I’ll cut and paste your guide as above, but would ask as you’ve put your head out of the trench that you take on the next two races..
Gracie ragazie, rat a tat rat, get in there Lewis.
I hate that ‘ Get in there Lewis ‘ line. (Btw this week was almost as bad)!!!!
I’ll cut and paste your guide as above, but would ask as you’ve put your head out of the trench that you take on the next two races..
Gracie ragazie, rat a tat rat, get in there Lewis.
Edited by Deesee on Thursday 30th August 20:33
Deesee said:
paulguitar said:
Deesee said:
First ever GP car I heard live was a V12 Mclaren Honda, seen the devolution through the 10’s and 8’s, the V6t-h is where we are now, and to me this is the best racing in the last 20 yrs.
Well, the quality of the racing itself is, of course, a separate issue to the sound of the cars.I can’t agree that we are at any kind of ‘high point’ with current racing. The usual situation is that it is almost always very processional without the intervention of a safely car, as the current cars simply can’t get close enough to race each other due to dirty air.
Lets not go back to a refuelling class where the only overtakes (and race wins) are in the pit lane and on a TV commercial.
However I also think though that there are a lot of issues, the racing is often non-existent, certainly up front, the cars ridiculously heavy and huge, and for me, the horrible sound is a big problem. Not on the TV so much, but it has stopped me going to any races live since my one and only hybrid era event in 2014 because I don't really see the point now. The cars are so viscerally underwhelming compared to what we used to have that I now have to get my F1 fix at Goodwood.
another 3 points said:
Deesee said:
Apologies, must admit the spa one was done at approx 2 am on on the Sunday before after a few beers and more than a few vodkas (neighbours had a party), and no one had started the thread yet, and we are thankful for DR Z for doing the thread through the year, (and creating a template) I must admit the table format had beaten me my 3.30 am, with very crossed eyes and having to review, preview and losing content, I then decided to cut and paste from F1.com (less one hour for uk time).
(Btw this week was almost as bad)!!!!
I’ll cut and paste your guide as above, but would ask as you’ve put your head out of the trench that you take on the next two races..
Gracie ragazie, rat a tat rat, get in there Lewis.
I hate that ‘ Get in there Lewis ‘ line. (Btw this week was almost as bad)!!!!
I’ll cut and paste your guide as above, but would ask as you’ve put your head out of the trench that you take on the next two races..
Gracie ragazie, rat a tat rat, get in there Lewis.
Edited by Deesee on Thursday 30th August 20:33
paulguitar said:
Deesee said:
paulguitar said:
Deesee said:
First ever GP car I heard live was a V12 Mclaren Honda, seen the devolution through the 10’s and 8’s, the V6t-h is where we are now, and to me this is the best racing in the last 20 yrs.
Well, the quality of the racing itself is, of course, a separate issue to the sound of the cars.I can’t agree that we are at any kind of ‘high point’ with current racing. The usual situation is that it is almost always very processional without the intervention of a safely car, as the current cars simply can’t get close enough to race each other due to dirty air.
Lets not go back to a refuelling class where the only overtakes (and race wins) are in the pit lane and on a TV commercial.
However I also think though that there are a lot of issues, the racing is often non-existent, certainly up front, the cars ridiculously heavy and huge, and for me, the horrible sound is a big problem. Not on the TV so much, but it has stopped me going to any races live since my one and only hybrid era event in 2014 because I don't really see the point now. The cars are so viscerally underwhelming compared to what we used to have that I now have to get my F1 fix at Goodwood.
Hopefully Ross Brawn will get the regulations correct so we see more "entertainment", and the field a little more closely matched.
All the best!
E34-3.2 said:
Deesee said:
Both are in need of a refresh... both unnecessary, do they not realise they are broadcasting to 100's of millions of people.
Not sure you will hear much of "get in there Lewis" for the rest of the season. We might see a lot of mister "one finger" Vettel sadly...Edit, Vettel will need to win what 5-6 out of 8 races?
Edited by Deesee on Thursday 30th August 21:27
Formula 1's new ballistic-tested helmet revealed at Italian GP
The first race-ready version of Formula 1's new ballistic-tested helmet concept that all drivers must use next season has been unveiled by Italian company Stilo.
The new design [on the right of the above image], which is the result of nearly a decade of research by the FIA since Felipe Massa's crash in qualifying for the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix, is aimed at helping take driver head protection to the next level.
The current zylon forehead protection area is replaced with a fully integrated extension of material - which results in the top edge of the helmet face opening moving down by 10mm.
This new toughened part will increase energy absorption in the event of an accident by up to 25%, and has been tested to withstand a 225g projectile striking a driver at 250km/h. The helmet has also undergone extensive military ballistic testing.
With Stilo's first version of the helmet having recently been completed, a visibility test was undertaken by Valtteri Bottas in first free practice for the Belgian Grand Prix.
Lance Stroll is expected to test it at Monza this weekend, but the trial may be delayed if poor weather conditions affect Friday running because of the need for different spec visors.
Bottas said it was important for helmet technology to continue to evolve as F1 focuses on car safety developments like the halo.
"The halo was very good protection in Spa for Charles [Leclerc], but there can still be cases that bits can hit you a lot," said Bottas.
"The stronger the helmet is, it's always better. The regulations for the helmets have been still for a few years.
"They want more safety and they need to take harder impacts than before.
"It is very important that the helmets keep developing, there is always margin to improve."
Stilo's managing director Guglielmo Belotti said his company had managed to produce the helmet to the new stricter homologation characteristics without adding weight, and Bottas had reported no visibility consequences.
"The feedback was absolutely identical to the old," he told Autosport.
"The important thing is that even if this is absolutely safer than the old standard, we could get this result without increasing the weight.
"The current helmet is the lightest in F1, and this one in racing conditions is identical."
The first race-ready version of Formula 1's new ballistic-tested helmet concept that all drivers must use next season has been unveiled by Italian company Stilo.
The new design [on the right of the above image], which is the result of nearly a decade of research by the FIA since Felipe Massa's crash in qualifying for the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix, is aimed at helping take driver head protection to the next level.
The current zylon forehead protection area is replaced with a fully integrated extension of material - which results in the top edge of the helmet face opening moving down by 10mm.
This new toughened part will increase energy absorption in the event of an accident by up to 25%, and has been tested to withstand a 225g projectile striking a driver at 250km/h. The helmet has also undergone extensive military ballistic testing.
With Stilo's first version of the helmet having recently been completed, a visibility test was undertaken by Valtteri Bottas in first free practice for the Belgian Grand Prix.
Lance Stroll is expected to test it at Monza this weekend, but the trial may be delayed if poor weather conditions affect Friday running because of the need for different spec visors.
Bottas said it was important for helmet technology to continue to evolve as F1 focuses on car safety developments like the halo.
"The halo was very good protection in Spa for Charles [Leclerc], but there can still be cases that bits can hit you a lot," said Bottas.
"The stronger the helmet is, it's always better. The regulations for the helmets have been still for a few years.
"They want more safety and they need to take harder impacts than before.
"It is very important that the helmets keep developing, there is always margin to improve."
Stilo's managing director Guglielmo Belotti said his company had managed to produce the helmet to the new stricter homologation characteristics without adding weight, and Bottas had reported no visibility consequences.
"The feedback was absolutely identical to the old," he told Autosport.
"The important thing is that even if this is absolutely safer than the old standard, we could get this result without increasing the weight.
"The current helmet is the lightest in F1, and this one in racing conditions is identical."
Deesee said:
100% the front runners are trying to set lap deltas to take them out of a under/over cut, with a 100% fuel load managing all sorts of on board computer equipment, all we see is a car trying to go fast, and a race (for the winner/leader) almost stopping after the first few corners, however the real action is a few rows back, its so close there with fantastic racing.. and the TV directors are starting to show it.
Hopefully Ross Brawn will get the regulations correct so we see more "entertainment", and the field a little more closely matched.
All the best!
Yep, I think from what Ross Brawn has said so far, he seems to be the right man for the job, as well as having loads of knowledge and experience, of course.Hopefully Ross Brawn will get the regulations correct so we see more "entertainment", and the field a little more closely matched.
All the best!
In the meantime, I will pay some more attention to the midfield, I am sure we would all rather see some racing at the front, but racing anywhere is still good news.
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