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Dr Z said:
kambites said:
In its entire existence F1 has probably never had a season where more than four teams have a realistic expectation of winning a race.
When was the last time five different teams won races in the same season?
2012, 2008, 2003, 1985, 1983, 1982, 1981, 1977, 1976, 1975, 1974, 1972, 1970, 1967, 1966.When was the last time five different teams won races in the same season?
janesmith1950 said:
If Formula E gets some proper traction I'd expect that to fit better with Red Bull's brand.
Complete with 'Mario Kart' boosts! The series will introduce a system dubbed "hyperboost" or "Mario Kart mode" in which drivers will receive an additional 25KW of power by driving through a designated area of the circuit off the racing line. The duration of the boost mode and the number of boosts available will be decided in advance of a race by the FIA to stop teams from anticipating its use and incorporating it into race strategy.Dr Z said:
2012, 2008, 2003, 1985, 1983, 1982, 1981, 1977, 1976, 1975, 1974, 1972, 1970, 1967, 1966.
...which means that if we look at the last thirty-odd years, less than 10% of seasons have had race winners from outside the top three teams, so it doesn't happen very often!Back on topic, Red Bull constantly complain that costs are too high, yet the only reason anyone really cares about their presence is because, without them, there would be only 16 cars on the grid... because costs are too high.
The Occam's razor principle rarely applies in F1. There's almost always a sub-text.
I'm intrigued by Aston Martin's involvement with not just Red Bull but F1. They are building a bit of presence providing cars for the hot laps and the like yet remain only a sponsor with - as far as I'm aware - no engineering inputs at all. I think they have said previously that there are awaiting what the next generation F1 might look like and may look to supplier engines and I rather suspect that there as a link to this with the remarks about quitting.
Perhaps do a Mercedes / Brawn type deal.
A works Aston team has a certain appeal.
Who knows?
I'm intrigued by Aston Martin's involvement with not just Red Bull but F1. They are building a bit of presence providing cars for the hot laps and the like yet remain only a sponsor with - as far as I'm aware - no engineering inputs at all. I think they have said previously that there are awaiting what the next generation F1 might look like and may look to supplier engines and I rather suspect that there as a link to this with the remarks about quitting.
Perhaps do a Mercedes / Brawn type deal.
A works Aston team has a certain appeal.
Who knows?
janesmith1950 said:
If Formula E gets some proper traction I'd expect that to fit better with Red Bull's brand.
I don't think it does. At the moment at least. Formula E is attracting the manufacturers as it is they see electric motive power as the new 'mainstream' and Red Bull don't do mainstream. Quite the reverse.thegreenhell said:
There's too much money tied up in the teams for them to just be closed down, even by someone as wealthy as Red Bull. They would be worth hundreds of millions to sell, or many millions in redundancy packages to close down.
I think TR has been for sale for some time, but there are no takers. F1 is an opportunity to spend lots more money. It is just too dammed expensive. FI was worth sweet FA when the chips finally landed on the table.The bottom 6 teams largely exist to make up the numbers, there is no really valuable return on their huge cost. It was cheaper for someone like Hass to start from scratch and be smart on procurement, but he is a racer at heart.
With an IPO in the offing I think that Aston Martin are merely after good publicity. The Valkeri is as important as F1 for getting that.
rdjohn said:
FI was worth sweet FA when the chips finally landed on the table.
According to Szafnauer the costs were really high (exorbitant in his words) and, apparently, in the Spa meeting the other teams were surprised at how much Stroll paid in the end. Sounds a long way from sweet FA to me.
StevieBee said:
I don't think it does. At the moment at least. Formula E is attracting the manufacturers as it is they see electric motive power as the new 'mainstream' and Red Bull don't do mainstream. Quite the reverse.
It's a younger audience than F1 and arguably more relavant into the future. Red Bull would venture there for the same reason.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff