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Jasandjules

63,406 posts

177 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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littlepaul

208 posts

77 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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Another pointless threat can’t they just hurry up and go now

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

22,767 posts

183 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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Dr Z said:
kambites said:
In its entire existence F1 has probably never had a season where more than four teams have a realistic expectation of winning a race.

When was the last time five different teams won races in the same season?
2012, 2008, 2003, 1985, 1983, 1982, 1981, 1977, 1976, 1975, 1974, 1972, 1970, 1967, 1966.

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If Sirotkin scores a point, every driver has. Dr Z, when was the last time that happened? biggrin

angrymoby

1,027 posts

126 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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'Red Bull are just a drinks company,' biggrin

FourWheelDrift

78,661 posts

232 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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Ferrari do this every year and every time there are talks of technical regulation changes, budgets and the removal of the FIA special payment.

hairyben

8,516 posts

131 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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littlepaul said:
Another pointless threat can’t they just hurry up and go now
I feel their retirement from the sport would be quite Alonso-esque.


FourWheelDrift

78,661 posts

232 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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It's not beyond the realms of possibility for Red Bull to become Arden F1.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

22,767 posts

183 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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hairyben said:
littlepaul said:
Another pointless threat can’t they just hurry up and go now
I feel their retirement from the sport would be quite Alonso-esque.
Except if Red Bull & Toro Rosso leave then it's over for F1?

majordad

3,205 posts

145 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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It would be fine, Eddie Jordan would come back owning at least three teams and half the drivers in the grid.

MissChief

5,216 posts

116 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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janesmith1950 said:
If Formula E gets some proper traction I'd expect that to fit better with Red Bull's brand.
Complete with 'Mario Kart' boosts! The series will introduce a system dubbed "hyperboost" or "Mario Kart mode" in which drivers will receive an additional 25KW of power by driving through a designated area of the circuit off the racing line. The duration of the boost mode and the number of boosts available will be decided in advance of a race by the FIA to stop teams from anticipating its use and incorporating it into race strategy.

M3ax

976 posts

160 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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FourWheelDrift said:
It's not beyond the realms of possibility for Red Bull to become Arden F1.
Yes, the team stays, just the name goes.. RB could relax into just being a sponsor again.

HardtopManual

1,263 posts

114 months

Wednesday 5th September 2018
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Dr Z said:
2012, 2008, 2003, 1985, 1983, 1982, 1981, 1977, 1976, 1975, 1974, 1972, 1970, 1967, 1966.

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...which means that if we look at the last thirty-odd years, less than 10% of seasons have had race winners from outside the top three teams, so it doesn't happen very often!

Back on topic, Red Bull constantly complain that costs are too high, yet the only reason anyone really cares about their presence is because, without them, there would be only 16 cars on the grid... because costs are too high.

Vaud

34,115 posts

103 months

Thursday 6th September 2018
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Except if Red Bull & Toro Rosso leave then it's over for F1?
At least one team would survive. Honda-RedBull or Honda-Honda.

Honda have too much invested to pull out before the end of this set of regs, in my view.

Jasandjules

63,406 posts

177 months

Thursday 6th September 2018
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Vaud said:
At least one team would survive. Honda-RedBull or Honda-Honda.

Honda have too much invested to pull out before the end of this set of regs, in my view.
Yes indeed, I do wonder if that is the plan... Or at least for Honda to buy out Torro Rosso

thegreenhell

6,303 posts

167 months

Thursday 6th September 2018
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There's too much money tied up in the teams for them to just be closed down, even by someone as wealthy as Red Bull. They would be worth hundreds of millions to sell, or many millions in redundancy packages to close down.

andburg

3,364 posts

117 months

Thursday 6th September 2018
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angrymoby said:
'Red Bull are just a drinks company,' biggrin
Hey that's still a setup up from rich energy who seemingly sell a brand image alone

StevieBee

8,201 posts

203 months

Thursday 6th September 2018
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The Occam's razor principle rarely applies in F1. There's almost always a sub-text.

I'm intrigued by Aston Martin's involvement with not just Red Bull but F1. They are building a bit of presence providing cars for the hot laps and the like yet remain only a sponsor with - as far as I'm aware - no engineering inputs at all. I think they have said previously that there are awaiting what the next generation F1 might look like and may look to supplier engines and I rather suspect that there as a link to this with the remarks about quitting.

Perhaps do a Mercedes / Brawn type deal.

A works Aston team has a certain appeal.

Who knows?

janesmith1950 said:
If Formula E gets some proper traction I'd expect that to fit better with Red Bull's brand.
I don't think it does. At the moment at least. Formula E is attracting the manufacturers as it is they see electric motive power as the new 'mainstream' and Red Bull don't do mainstream. Quite the reverse.

rdjohn

3,866 posts

143 months

Thursday 6th September 2018
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thegreenhell said:
There's too much money tied up in the teams for them to just be closed down, even by someone as wealthy as Red Bull. They would be worth hundreds of millions to sell, or many millions in redundancy packages to close down.
I think TR has been for sale for some time, but there are no takers. F1 is an opportunity to spend lots more money. It is just too dammed expensive. FI was worth sweet FA when the chips finally landed on the table.

The bottom 6 teams largely exist to make up the numbers, there is no really valuable return on their huge cost. It was cheaper for someone like Hass to start from scratch and be smart on procurement, but he is a racer at heart.

With an IPO in the offing I think that Aston Martin are merely after good publicity. The Valkeri is as important as F1 for getting that.

Kraken

1,272 posts

148 months

Thursday 6th September 2018
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rdjohn said:
FI was worth sweet FA when the chips finally landed on the table.
According to Szafnauer the costs were really high (exorbitant in his words) and, apparently, in the Spa meeting the other teams were surprised at how much Stroll paid in the end. Sounds a long way from sweet FA to me.

janesmith1950

4,287 posts

43 months

Thursday 6th September 2018
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StevieBee said:
I don't think it does. At the moment at least. Formula E is attracting the manufacturers as it is they see electric motive power as the new 'mainstream' and Red Bull don't do mainstream. Quite the reverse.
It's a younger audience than F1 and arguably more relavant into the future. Red Bull would venture there for the same reason.