Alonso comeback

[Mr_Thyroid]

Vaud said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

carinaman said:

Joe Saward on Missed Apex podcast around 12 minutes in says Alonso isn't the same since Hamilton beat him at McLaren:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqdWRTBDVoI

Joe Saward needs to see a doctor.

Saward is no fool or armchair blogger; he knows the paddock, TPs and many drivers and has been to every race for 20+ years.

Alonso being a genius driver, and not being quite the same since 2007 are not mutually exclusive statements.

On any given race day, he may also extract the most possible from the car.

Alonso is genius but flawed. Hamilton is genius with less of the destructive tendencies that Alonso has demonstrated since 2007.

Alonso might not be the same after 2007 - but it's pure conjecture to suggest it's because Hamilton beat him - a lot happened that year surrounding Alonso and McLaren.

[turbomoped]

Mr_Thyroid said:

Vaud said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

carinaman said:

Joe Saward on Missed Apex podcast around 12 minutes in says Alonso isn't the same since Hamilton beat him at McLaren:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqdWRTBDVoI

Joe Saward needs to see a doctor.

Saward is no fool or armchair blogger; he knows the paddock, TPs and many drivers and has been to every race for 20+ years.

Alonso being a genius driver, and not being quite the same since 2007 are not mutually exclusive statements.

On any given race day, he may also extract the most possible from the car.

Alonso is genius but flawed. Hamilton is genius with less of the destructive tendencies that Alonso has demonstrated since 2007.

Alonso might not be the same after 2007 - but it's pure conjecture to suggest it's because Hamilton beat him - a lot happened that year surrounding Alonso and McLaren.

He was quite young at that stage and it was probably the first time in his career he felt he had been dealt a bad hand. No doubt you would approach the world a bit differently.
I would think anyone that has had a job and some life experience would have had a bad result at some stage
that changed them a bit.
Doesnt seem to have affected his driving as he could easy have had several titles in the ferrari.
All the best drivers will have an atttude and lets not forget senna and schumacher were incredibly selfish.
In the present day Verstappen is pretty obnoxious and seems to get a free pass due to his age.
Sadly the internet gives equal voice to everyone and you probably find yourself reasoning with some kid sat in thier festering bedroom a lot of the time lol.

[CarKing]

Only time will tell

[turbomoped]

I can see Alonso coming back to Ferrari if the following happens.
Vettel doesn't win the title between now and end of 2020 season.
Leclerc not doing it either.
The average age of a ferrari owner would have gone up more by then. These people dont identiry with foul mouthed kids.
They want someone like themselves to stick it to the youth for their own personal validation.
Roll on the 2021 season.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

turbomoped said:

I can see Alonso coming back to Ferrari if the following happens.
Vettel doesn't win the title between now and end of 2020 season.
Leclerc not doing it either.
The average age of a ferrari owner would have gone up more by then. These people dont identiry with foul mouthed kids.
They want someone like themselves to stick it to the youth for their own personal validation.
Roll on the 2021 season.

You’re insane.

[turbomoped]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

turbomoped said:

I can see Alonso coming back to Ferrari if the following happens.
Vettel doesn't win the title between now and end of 2020 season.
Leclerc not doing it either.
The average age of a ferrari owner would have gone up more by then. These people dont identiry with foul mouthed kids.
They want someone like themselves to stick it to the youth for their own personal validation.
Roll on the 2021 season.

You’re insane.

Like a film with nobody you ever heard of starring few bother watching.
People wont care about newbies if they are trundling around in the lower places unless the sport changes dramatically.
In that case Alonso could come back to many teams.
Its actually immature and deranged to want less talent on the grid just for some personally armchair grunge.

[37chevy]

turbomoped said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

turbomoped said:

I can see Alonso coming back to Ferrari if the following happens.
Vettel doesn't win the title between now and end of 2020 season.
Leclerc not doing it either.
The average age of a ferrari owner would have gone up more by then. These people dont identiry with foul mouthed kids.
They want someone like themselves to stick it to the youth for their own personal validation.
Roll on the 2021 season.

You’re insane.

Like a film with nobody you ever heard of starring few bother watching.
People wont care about newbies if they are trundling around in the lower places unless the sport changes dramatically.
In that case Alonso could come back to many teams.
Its actually immature and deranged to want less talent on the grid just for some personally armchair grunge.

Yeah. You’re insane

[turbomoped]

37chevy said:

turbomoped said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

turbomoped said:

I can see Alonso coming back to Ferrari if the following happens.
Vettel doesn't win the title between now and end of 2020 season.
Leclerc not doing it either.
The average age of a ferrari owner would have gone up more by then. These people dont identiry with foul mouthed kids.
They want someone like themselves to stick it to the youth for their own personal validation.
Roll on the 2021 season.

You’re insane.

Like a film with nobody you ever heard of starring few bother watching.
People wont care about newbies if they are trundling around in the lower places unless the sport changes dramatically.
In that case Alonso could come back to many teams.
Its actually immature and deranged to want less talent on the grid just for some personally armchair grunge.

Yeah. You’re insane

He will be back. He only left because mclaren were rubbish with no hope for the future.

[Vaud]

He is 37. There are plenty of other talents on the grid that don't come with the baggage.

[HTP99]

Vaud said:

He is 37. There are plenty of other talents on the grid that don't come with the baggage.

Yep, he won't be back, as good as he is, people need to take off those rose tinted specs and move on!

[E-bmw]

turbomoped said:

He will be back. He only left because mclaren were rubbish with no hope for the future.

I do believe you were correct at the time the Freddo made his mind to retire, alas he won't be back in a front seat in F1 in either my or his lifetime again & he now knows it.

[turbomoped]

Cant think of a driver of that calibre that sat on the sidelines while they could win and cant think of a team that knows its cars a winner that would rather run two poor performers all season if an unencumbered alonso was sat at home.

[London424]

turbomoped said:

Cant think of a driver of that calibre that sat on the sidelines while they could win and cant think of a team that knows its cars a winner that would rather run two poor performers all season if an unencumbered alonso was sat at home.

Except Alonso has been available for the last 3 years and in that time the 3 fastest teams have all ignored him when seats were free.

[Kccv23highliftcam]

I think he'd make a great team manager.

[anonymous-user]

The sad fact about F1 is that unless you have the best car you have basically got no chance of winning anything.

Unlike other sports when your talent can shine.

I am sure Alonso will be delighted to be away from F1 at the end of this season.

[turbomoped]

London424 said:

turbomoped said:

Cant think of a driver of that calibre that sat on the sidelines while they could win and cant think of a team that knows its cars a winner that would rather run two poor performers all season if an unencumbered alonso was sat at home.

Except Alonso has been available for the last 3 years and in that time the 3 fastest teams have all ignored him when seats were free.

He has not been available.He has been at mclaren existing on empty promises. For all the hate directed at him he has stayed loyal to their feeble efforts to give him a fast car.
Nobody had a flippin fast car anyway apart from mercedes and I doubt he was that keen to join another team that wasn't top 3 before a wheel has turned for next year.
A couple of races elapse next year and a team for example haas see from telemetry that they have been running as fast as
Mercedes but due to thier drivers crashing out of going off the boil at key moments they have 4 points from a possible 70.
Time to get on to the phone and make an appointment for friday morning.
What sort of team owner would waste money just muddling around the midfield instead of winning.(maybe stroll senior)
You have to be an insider at the crappy mclaren effort to not see the logic.

[London424]

turbomoped said:

London424 said:

turbomoped said:

Cant think of a driver of that calibre that sat on the sidelines while they could win and cant think of a team that knows its cars a winner that would rather run two poor performers all season if an unencumbered alonso was sat at home.

Except Alonso has been available for the last 3 years and in that time the 3 fastest teams have all ignored him when seats were free.

He has not been available.He has been at mclaren existing on empty promises. For all the hate directed at him he has stayed loyal to their feeble efforts to give him a fast car.
Nobody had a flippin fast car anyway apart from mercedes and I doubt he was that keen to join another team that wasn't top 3 before a wheel has turned for next year.
A couple of races elapse next year and a team for example haas see from telemetry that they have been running as fast as
Mercedes but due to thier drivers crashing out of going off the boil at key moments they have 4 points from a possible 70.
Time to get on to the phone and make an appointment for friday morning.
What sort of team owner would waste money just muddling around the midfield instead of winning.(maybe stroll senior)
You have to be an insider at the crappy mclaren effort to not see the logic.

Your post doesn’t make much sense I’m afraid.

Alonso has been available, he even signed an extension last year. He did it at McLaren because no one else wants him (or can afford him).

In the last 3 years 3 teams have won races. Merc needed a second driver after Nico retired...again, no one wanted him.

As for your scenario for next season well that’s just laughable. By your logic Max should have been replaced earlier this year as he chucked away so many points.

[turbomoped]

Only mercedes and ferrari are in a title fight. redbull won the odd race. redbull are all about selling soft drinks to young kids and clubbers. Alonso was a bit old for that scene. Even riciarrdo and sainz are just not fresh faced enough and have been marginalized.
Yes there are many excellent drivers in F1.They will all be under contract next year and no doubt the year after.He wont.
Its about one team or a few breaking the stranglehold. People only have the top 3 in their thick heads how.
Its amazing that people have accepted a top 3 and a tier 2 of also rans so easily.
F1 seems to exist just for watercooler bragging nowadays..

[Vaud]

turbomoped said:

Its amazing that people have accepted a top 3 and a tier 2 of also rans so easily.

When was it different? I think 2010 was an interesting season for variety but that has been the exception for much of the last 30(?) years?

The modern era is ultra reliable.
The modern era is ultra safe (relatively) so you don't get turnover of drivers through deaths.

[London424]

Vaud said:

turbomoped said:

Its amazing that people have accepted a top 3 and a tier 2 of also rans so easily.

When was it different? I think 2010 was an interesting season for variety but that has been the exception for much of the last 30(?) years?

The modern era is ultra reliable.
The modern era is ultra safe (relatively) so you don't get turnover of drivers through deaths.

But even with that, go back 3 years and see how much driver turnover there has been.