Alonso comeback
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Vaud said:
turbomoped said:
Is there a break clause with his contract if he doesn't deliver a certain level of performance this year?
Even if there was, I doubt that finishing P2 against the reigning and 3x Merc WDC would be an exit clause.Alonso's main focus has always been the money in my opinion even though he has great talent. If I remember correctly he was signed to McLaren for 2007 before the end of 2005 - even though he was winning the championship with Renault and of course went on to win in 2006 too. His actions in 2007 were not the actions of true champion in my book, and the events at Singapore 2008 (although it would be hard to prove his actual knowledge of what was planned) sealed his fate for the rest of his F1 career. Some may call it karma. He could have won at Ferrari in the following years if things had went differently. He'll be a loss to the sport but things could have went so much differently if he had a better temperament. Nobody is bigger than a team and he quite often has forgotten that.
Alonso was, is, and always will be a driver with abilities only second to god.
However, his level of political skills never matched that of his driving in my opinion. His clauses and demands made him less favourable to a lot of teams, but nobody can argue that he is one of the dying breed of proper talented F1 drivers.
Hamilton 2007 aside, look how he has dominated all of his team mates. Vandoorne was meant to be the next super hot shot, and looked incredibly promising when he stood in for the injured Nando and did a great job. Since then Alonso has just destroyed him in every way.
Sadly, I agree with most, as much as I would love to see him stay, or come back, I cannot imagine any scenario where it will realistically happen..
However, his level of political skills never matched that of his driving in my opinion. His clauses and demands made him less favourable to a lot of teams, but nobody can argue that he is one of the dying breed of proper talented F1 drivers.
Hamilton 2007 aside, look how he has dominated all of his team mates. Vandoorne was meant to be the next super hot shot, and looked incredibly promising when he stood in for the injured Nando and did a great job. Since then Alonso has just destroyed him in every way.
Sadly, I agree with most, as much as I would love to see him stay, or come back, I cannot imagine any scenario where it will realistically happen..
A good and expansive article on the BBC website about Alonso's career. Worth a read!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
StevieBee said:
A good and expansive article on the BBC website about Alonso's career. Worth a read!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
I agree - a fantastic read!https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
StevieBee said:
A good and expansive article on the BBC website about Alonso's career. Worth a read!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
A good long read. Cant wait for his return in 2020 all keen and refreshed.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
StevieBee said:
A good and expansive article on the BBC website about Alonso's career. Worth a read!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
Enjoyed that,https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
Thanks for posting.
StevieBee said:
A good and expansive article on the BBC website about Alonso's career. Worth a read!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
That was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
Bullitt Five-Oh said:
StevieBee said:
A good and expansive article on the BBC website about Alonso's career. Worth a read!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
That was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
Europa1 said:
It completely failed to discuss whether or not Alonso played any part in the Piquet Jr crash at Singapore.
Possibly because the BBC don't want to be sued by Alonso or Briatore. It was investigated at the time.Personally, I would have thought Briatore would have wanted to protect Alonso, the best way to do it was to arrange the crash and not tell Alonso anything. He didn't need to know if it all goes wrong his prize asset (remember he is still Alonso's manager taking his % cut) is protected.
DaveE36 said:
Alonso's main focus has always been the money in my opinion even though he has great talent. If I remember correctly he was signed to McLaren for 2007 before the end of 2005 - even though he was winning the championship with Renault and of course went on to win in 2006 too. His actions in 2007 were not the actions of true champion in my book, and the events at Singapore 2008 (although it would be hard to prove his actual knowledge of what was planned) sealed his fate for the rest of his F1 career. Some may call it karma. He could have won at Ferrari in the following years if things had went differently. He'll be a loss to the sport but things could have went so much differently if he had a better temperament. Nobody is bigger than a team and he quite often has forgotten that.
Alonso made a smart move signing for McLaren at the end of 2005. He knew that tobacco sponsorship was outlawed at the end of 2006 - Mild Seven and Renault splitting - and McLaren had a mega-deal with Vodafone and Jonny Walker; McLaren were massively funded back then plus they were Mercedes' sole focus.People are right when they say he wasn't the same driver after 2007, he was even better. A mark of a great driver isn't what he can do in a race-winning car, it's what he can do in lesser machinery. Schumacher in '96-'98 was proof of this too.
turbomoped said:
StevieBee said:
A good and expansive article on the BBC website about Alonso's career. Worth a read!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
A good long read. Cant wait for his return in 2020 all keen and refreshed.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204
He’s done, the only way he could come back is as an emergency solution if, say, the unlikely event that a driver was incapacitated in an accident for example.
But, in all probability, he’s finished.
TobyTR said:
Senna in '84 and '92-'93 showed what he was capable of in some dogs.
I'd love to see what Hamilton could do in lesser machinery, but we'll never know, apart from half a season in 2009. 2010-2013 he had decent cars but he couldn't put anything consistent together.
Hamilton has won a race in every season in F1, thats quite some achievement. His McLaren cars were mostly not the best car.I'd love to see what Hamilton could do in lesser machinery, but we'll never know, apart from half a season in 2009. 2010-2013 he had decent cars but he couldn't put anything consistent together.
Evangelion said:
Which is precisely why I don't rate Hamilton as one of the greats. Or Senna.
But 2007 is exactly why I do rate Hamilton - he finished the season ahead of Alonso (by results, albeit on the same points) in the same car in his rookie year. Surely that is quite am impressive debut?After all Alonso had years of experience by then - surely that was another missed opportunity for him?
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