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London424 said:
geeks said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
HustleRussell said:
Disagree, When it happened I thought that would be the race winning move- only the unexpectedly poor overall performance of the untested Soft tyre +1.5PSI and the unexpectedly good overall performance of the Red Bull of Max Verstappen caused it to go the other way IMO.
If Raikkonen had pitted same as Lewis did he probably would've had a lot more work to do to win the race.
The tyre pressure adjustment issue has perhaps been overlooked by everyone...If Raikkonen had pitted same as Lewis did he probably would've had a lot more work to do to win the race.
hing about it post race and everyone else made the one stop work.Merc blinked first yesterday, that happens sometimes and we were treated to a tense final dozen laps as a result so not all bad for us as fans/viewers.
I remarked when the VSC came out to the wife and step son that it was too early for a stop and that when Ferrari pitted Kimi too early in Monza they had a similar issue (although somehow Kimi made it to the end)
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirelli-explain...
48k said:
I realise I'm going to be on my own with this opinion but reading some of the comments over the last few pages I can't help but feel that some people are letting the potential for the race to be a championship decider fool them in to thinking it was an exciting race. It would have been fantastic to see 8 or so laps at the end of wheel to wheel combat between the front three drivers all going for the win for the first time this season but because of the circuit layout and the fact the cars can't run so close together we just had the de facto procession with one attempted overtake by HAM which took a few laps to prepare and ended up leaving him with a bigger gap to the car in front than if he hadn't have tried it. Which is a real shame. I really hope the boffins can come up with something in the regulation changes to make the cars behave better when they are close together because it would be great to see the top drivers able to slug it out with each other corner after corner.
Know what you mean. Had it been the third or fourth race in it would have all been a bit 'meh'.But it wasn't so the aspect of the championship did add a bit of sparkle.
Wills2 said:
We need to remember they were managing the tyres on Lewis's car not the RB or Ferrari from what I've seen this year there can be a big difference in how different cars wear their tyres.
The data must have pointed to stopping at the 17 second gap point as being too early for a max attack run to the end, it's the only explanation other than a simple mistake which I guess they don't make often unless the data is wrong.
This or they expected Kimi’s tyres to fall off the cliff at some point.The data must have pointed to stopping at the 17 second gap point as being too early for a max attack run to the end, it's the only explanation other than a simple mistake which I guess they don't make often unless the data is wrong.
Hindsight from home is a wonderful luxury!
garyhun said:
Wills2 said:
We need to remember they were managing the tyres on Lewis's car not the RB or Ferrari from what I've seen this year there can be a big difference in how different cars wear their tyres.
The data must have pointed to stopping at the 17 second gap point as being too early for a max attack run to the end, it's the only explanation other than a simple mistake which I guess they don't make often unless the data is wrong.
This or they expected Kimi’s tyres to fall off the cliff at some point.The data must have pointed to stopping at the 17 second gap point as being too early for a max attack run to the end, it's the only explanation other than a simple mistake which I guess they don't make often unless the data is wrong.
Hindsight from home is a wonderful luxury!
It did make for an exciting last few laps...although I just knew after the CH4 coronation show beforehand it would go wrong.
waynecyclist said:
Not sure if true but rumours flying around that Mercedes were forced to change rear wheel design at the 11th hour after Ferrari complained to the FIA.
If true it might explain Mercedes's struggles.
Heard that too Merc & would not have taken any chances, but the wheels would have been in the UK so like you unsure of the truth in that..If true it might explain Mercedes's struggles.
Deesee said:
waynecyclist said:
Not sure if true but rumours flying around that Mercedes were forced to change rear wheel design at the 11th hour after Ferrari complained to the FIA.
If true it might explain Mercedes's struggles.
Heard that too Merc & would not have taken any chances, but the wheels would have been in the UK so like you unsure of the truth in that..If true it might explain Mercedes's struggles.
waynecyclist said:
Deesee said:
waynecyclist said:
Not sure if true but rumours flying around that Mercedes were forced to change rear wheel design at the 11th hour after Ferrari complained to the FIA.
If true it might explain Mercedes's struggles.
Heard that too Merc & would not have taken any chances, but the wheels would have been in the UK so like you unsure of the truth in that..If true it might explain Mercedes's struggles.
topless360 said:
I don't get all the hate for Eddie Jordan, I quite like that he's part of the C4 team. He's not afraid to ask the questions that others won't, and is usually on the ball when it comes to transfer rumours.
Sure he comes out with nonsense from time to time, but so did Murray Walker.
There's an old saying when it comes to interview techniques; The questions don't matter - It's the answers you need. It's a bit glib and has holes, but it shows what I think is wrong with Jordan. He just doesn't get interesting answers. Part of the problem is that he spends too many words. There are often many interpretations of what he's actually asking and the interviewee will opt for the one they find less uncomfortable. We might get insights to what Jordan is thinking, but few answers. Sure he comes out with nonsense from time to time, but so did Murray Walker.
As for his predictive ability; I can't speak for him recently as I tune him out, both physically and mentally, but earlier on this year his hit record was about on par with a blind cobbler. In fact I often think of cobblers when I did listen to him.
One thing I have noticed over this season, and it was very apparent at the last race, is that the others in the presentation team cut him out a bit. They speak when he signals he wants a go.
I accept that Walker too occasionally talked rubbish, but he was a race commentator. He was not there for unscripted interviews. Further, professionalism has moved on from the days of Walker.
waynecyclist said:
Not sure if true but rumours flying around that Mercedes were forced to change rear wheel design at the 11th hour after Ferrari complained to the FIA.
If true it might explain Mercedes's struggles.
Ferrari weren't happy with the FIA's acceptance of the wheels given that they had previously banned Red Bull from using what appears to be the same concept.If true it might explain Mercedes's struggles.
As the stewards of the meeting have the final say Mercedes didn't want to risk a post race protest so changed the wheels. The FIA are going to look at them again before Mexico.
I agree with Ferrari to be honest. I can't see what the real difference is between them and the Red Bull ones. Reading between the lines it looks like Red Bull said what the holes were really for whereas Mercedes are making out they have another function.
Kraken said:
I agree with Ferrari to be honest. I can't see what the real difference is between them and the Red Bull ones. Reading between the lines it looks like Red Bull said what the holes were really for whereas Mercedes are making out they have another function.
I think in the Redbull they had two functions - to cool the wheel and brakes (which is legal) and to create vortices to aid aerodynamics (which is not). As far as I know, Redbull still have a blown axle, it just blows through the nut which doesn't generate a significant vortex. The Mercedes wheel does appear superficially similar to the original Redbull concept, so it is a bit odd that it's been deemed legal. However I'm sure the FIA have access to an awful lot more information about the aerodynamic effect of the system than we do.
I haven't watched F1 in a long time (I got fed up of there being very little overtaking apart from in the pits) but I thought I'd stick the race on yesterday because of all the hype and it was superb. Are we back to exciting racing or was that a one off and it'll be a procession next time?
Also, is it all on Sky next year?
Also, is it all on Sky next year?
Edited by Paul 8v on Monday 22 October 22:52
48k said:
I realise I'm going to be on my own with this opinion but reading some of the comments over the last few pages I can't help but feel that some people are letting the potential for the race to be a championship decider fool them in to thinking it was an exciting race. It would have been fantastic to see 8 or so laps at the end of wheel to wheel combat between the front three drivers all going for the win for the first time this season but because of the circuit layout and the fact the cars can't run so close together we just had the de facto procession with one attempted overtake by HAM which took a few laps to prepare and ended up leaving him with a bigger gap to the car in front than if he hadn't have tried it. Which is a real shame. I really hope the boffins can come up with something in the regulation changes to make the cars behave better when they are close together because it would be great to see the top drivers able to slug it out with each other corner after corner.
Paul 8v said:
I haven't watched F1 in a long time (I got fed up of there being very little overtaking apart from in the pits) but I thought I'd stick the race on yesterday because of all the hype and it was superb. Are we back to exciting racing or was that a one off and it'll be a procession next time?
Q.E.D. 
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