Vandoorne going electric!
Discussion
StevieBee said:
Don't think FE is the 'future' as such - but it certainly has a future.
Next season's cars look quite sexy and are supposed to be faster and able to run a full distance.
But surely FE is 4th rate on a good day - they don't do 200 miles, can't run for 2 hours so how is that ever going to be useful to the buying public? Next season's cars look quite sexy and are supposed to be faster and able to run a full distance.
The only way is down for Vandoorne IMHO!
Mind you an FE might be quicker than a McLaren.
It is only a matter of time before Formula E is bigger than F1, with the push for alternative fuels it is inevitable. FI is now seen by younger people as rich people showing off, all they see is rich people, on the grid, in the paddock, driving the cars etc etc, it is inaccessible to most people, rightly or wrongly F1 has this image and FE doesn't.
thegreenhell said:
F1 is is still aspirational. I don't believe that FE is. I can't speak for 'the kids', but almost no grown ups ever talk about FE, other than as a home for the latest F1 reject. If I'm wrong, point me in the direction of the PH FE subforum, and the thread for the next FE race.
It's inevitable that people will feel a connection to what they grew up with and we didn't grow up with FE. I think realistically you need to talk to people in their teens to understand how F1 and FE will be viewed by the next generation and given how immature FE still is, even that might not be enough. I suspect F1 still has the edge at the moment, probably by some margin, but as FE matures and road cars make the shift over to electric drive-trains I'm not convinced it'll keep it. IMO F1 wont be able to survive losing the big car manufacturers so the beginning of the end will be when they start see it as no longer being a relevant advertising platform for their road cars.
I suppose the real question is whether F1 will be foresighted enough to go electric final-drive before that happens but I think we're still at least ten years off that decision needing to be made in terms of the viability of technology for GP length races at F1 sorts of speeds.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th October 09:16
Adrian W said:
It is only a matter of time before Formula E is bigger than F1, with the push for alternative fuels it is inevitable. FI is now seen by younger people as rich people showing off, all they see is rich people, on the grid, in the paddock, driving the cars etc etc, it is inaccessible to most people, rightly or wrongly F1 has this image and FE doesn't.
How many people did you canvass to generate this fact?Why does your sample seem to be at odds with all other research into youth cultures that would put aspirational products at the top of their most wanted list?
Or did you in fact make it all up?
FE always reminds me of the Birmingham Superprix for some reason.
Potentially a good idea, but I remember watching it as a young kid and wondering why it wasn't F1. It seemed like a cheapy second rate version of it.
FE will improve, it has to, but I cannot find myself getting excited about it at all for some reason. Well, other than the obvious lack of sound, the silly car swaps because the tech isn't yet up to it, the nadgery street circuits which are always dull, the fact it just looks slow and the constant worry about battery capacity is never cool...
Potentially a good idea, but I remember watching it as a young kid and wondering why it wasn't F1. It seemed like a cheapy second rate version of it.
FE will improve, it has to, but I cannot find myself getting excited about it at all for some reason. Well, other than the obvious lack of sound, the silly car swaps because the tech isn't yet up to it, the nadgery street circuits which are always dull, the fact it just looks slow and the constant worry about battery capacity is never cool...
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Adrian W said:
It is only a matter of time before Formula E is bigger than F1, with the push for alternative fuels it is inevitable. FI is now seen by younger people as rich people showing off, all they see is rich people, on the grid, in the paddock, driving the cars etc etc, it is inaccessible to most people, rightly or wrongly F1 has this image and FE doesn't.
How many people did you canvass to generate this fact?Why does your sample seem to be at odds with all other research into youth cultures that would put aspirational products at the top of their most wanted list?
Or did you in fact make it all up?
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2018/april/sign...
https://f1broadcasting.co/2018/06/11/f1-slumps-to-...
Adrian W said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Adrian W said:
It is only a matter of time before Formula E is bigger than F1, with the push for alternative fuels it is inevitable. FI is now seen by younger people as rich people showing off, all they see is rich people, on the grid, in the paddock, driving the cars etc etc, it is inaccessible to most people, rightly or wrongly F1 has this image and FE doesn't.
How many people did you canvass to generate this fact?Why does your sample seem to be at odds with all other research into youth cultures that would put aspirational products at the top of their most wanted list?
Or did you in fact make it all up?
http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2018/april/sign...
https://f1broadcasting.co/2018/06/11/f1-slumps-to-...
Bullitt Five-Oh said:
Young kids/teenagers see EV's as doing the right thing and saving the earth/thinking about future so no wonder they would prefer FE, regardless of whether it's exciting or not.
And far from being aspirational, F1 now has v6 hybrids that sound rubbish, DRS overtakes and cars that't can't follow each other. I watch it because I always have, but doubt I'd tune in if I started now.The only thing aspirational about it is the marketing and the crowd it attracts, both of which are subject to change.
chunder27 said:
If it's the future, then I certainly will be lost to motorsport as will most people my age, we have all tried it, given it a chance, and while thee is merit in it, the tracks, cars, pathetic range, silly rules, car design, and for me the politics just make me not want to watch anyway, all these companies are there on a PR exercise, nothing more. Dressing it up as electric research, lol, yea right.
To be honest I have been struggling with most big motorsport in recent years anyway, I find most series dull, boring and so controlled, any sense of sport is lost behind paywalls, rules, right holders, crap tv deals, drab tracks and cars and awful coverage.
But hey, that is just me
I'd agree with most of that, I know it's not cool to say 'it was better in my day' but it was!To be honest I have been struggling with most big motorsport in recent years anyway, I find most series dull, boring and so controlled, any sense of sport is lost behind paywalls, rules, right holders, crap tv deals, drab tracks and cars and awful coverage.
But hey, that is just me
I remember going to Grand Prix in the 80s and 90s, and hearing the cars coming out of the pitlane from the other end of the circuit (or even from the road approaching the circuit). It was so exciting I could hardly wait for the cars to appear.
I just can't imagine anyone heading to some w
ky circuit in Battersea park to see these Noddy cars having those same feelings. They don't know what they've missed!Like most things these days it's just a soulless sanitised corporate bore fest.
There, I've said it and I am officially an old git
stinkyspanner said:
I'd agree with most of that, I know it's not cool to say 'it was better in my day' but it was!
I remember going to Grand Prix in the 80s and 90s, and hearing the cars coming out of the pitlane from the other end of the circuit (or even from the road approaching the circuit). It was so exciting I could hardly wait for the cars to appear.
I just can't imagine anyone heading to some wky circuit in Battersea park to see these Noddy cars having those same feelings. They don't know what they've missed!
Like most things these days it's just a soulless sanitised corporate bore fest.
There, I've said it and I am officially an old git
I'm sure people who remember F1 from the 60s said much the same thing about F1 in the 80s and 90s, and with some justification. I remember going to Grand Prix in the 80s and 90s, and hearing the cars coming out of the pitlane from the other end of the circuit (or even from the road approaching the circuit). It was so exciting I could hardly wait for the cars to appear.
I just can't imagine anyone heading to some w
ky circuit in Battersea park to see these Noddy cars having those same feelings. They don't know what they've missed!Like most things these days it's just a soulless sanitised corporate bore fest.
There, I've said it and I am officially an old git
kambites said:
IMO F1 wont be able to survive losing the big car manufacturers so the beginning of the end will be when they start see it as no longer being a relevant advertising platform for their road cars.
F1 has Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda.FE has Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Jaguar Land Rover, NIO, Nissan and Venturi
I think it's fair to say that swing is already happening.
Kraken said:
Depends, I expect he's getting paid just as well if not more so. He has far more chance of winning than he ever did in F1. What's the point in going round and round in circles in a faster car being lapped? I'd rather be in a slower series with a chance of winning.
At the end of the day he's a professional paid driver in a flagship world championship status FIA series in potentially one of the top teams/cars. 99.9% of drivers would give their left bk for that chance.
Right, but winning what exactly? At the end of the day he's a professional paid driver in a flagship world championship status FIA series in potentially one of the top teams/cars. 99.9% of drivers would give their left b
k for that chance.In the event that may happen what is the point.
And is the reason he could never win in F1 because he just wasn't up to it?
Mr Tidy said:
And is the reason he could never win in F1 because he just wasn't up to it?
Considering a car other than Merc, Ferrari or RB has not won an F1 race since 2013 it's probably expecting a bit much for any driver outside of those to win.His record prior to F1 suggests he is more than capable.
ukaskew said:
Mr Tidy said:
And is the reason he could never win in F1 because he just wasn't up to it?
Considering a car other than Merc, Ferrari or RB has not won an F1 race since 2013 it's probably expecting a bit much for any driver outside of those to win.His record prior to F1 suggests he is more than capable.
Mr Tidy said:
StevieBee said:
Don't think FE is the 'future' as such - but it certainly has a future.
Next season's cars look quite sexy and are supposed to be faster and able to run a full distance.
But surely FE is 4th rate on a good day - they don't do 200 miles, can't run for 2 hours so how is that ever going to be useful to the buying public? Next season's cars look quite sexy and are supposed to be faster and able to run a full distance.
But the influx of manufacturers suggests the series has the potential for longevity.
The technology is emerging and developing and I've no doubt that within the next five years we will see FE cars on proper circuits doing proper speeds for 2 hours.
StevieBee said:
At the moment, I don't disagree.
But the influx of manufacturers suggests the series has the potential for longevity.
The technology is emerging and developing and I've no doubt that within the next five years we will see FE cars on proper circuits doing proper speeds for 2 hours.
Doubt they'll ever go for two hours as there's no need. F1 identified a while ago that a lot of younger fans thought the races were too long so I can't see FE wanting to move away from the length of the races they do.But the influx of manufacturers suggests the series has the potential for longevity.
The technology is emerging and developing and I've no doubt that within the next five years we will see FE cars on proper circuits doing proper speeds for 2 hours.
Moving to traditional circuits is also totally against the concept. The whole idea is to bring the race to a new generation of fans who wouldn't necessarily travel to the out of the way locations that traditional race tracks are usually in. Not to mention the whole issue of thousands of cars travelling to those events etc.
The technology exists to run on proper circuits for long periods already but only at massive costs. That's one of the great things about FE in my book. They've stuck to their plan of gradually introducing technology and controlling the costs.
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