Vietnamese Grand Prix 2020

Vietnamese Grand Prix 2020

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TheDeuce

5,777 posts

21 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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BigBen said:
I am actually of the opinion that the quality of the racing matters a lot less when you are there, it is more about the atmosphere. For instance I did Monaco one year and it was great despite the race undoubtedly being a snooze fest on TV.
I do enjoy Monaco, but let's remember that much of the atmosphere is passion - for as long as any resident or frequent visitor can remember, part of Monaco is having the streets scream with racing cars each year. It's like F1 coming home, it's fully welcomed in Monaco and no complaints.

That same passion isn't as ingrained in Vietnam, the heritage isn't there. That's not to say that being there wouldn't be very satisfying - I would go to all races, except France, if I could. But like most of us, I can't, so need to be selective.

I don't think a crap race weekend at Hanoi will be quite as satisfying as one in Monaco - but having said that, I do hope one of the PH members goes and reports back, for all I know it could be excellent as a race and race venue..

TheDeuce

5,777 posts

21 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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REALIST123 said:
Incidentally, the whole of the above is why I’ll likely never go to Paul Ricard....... for me it will always fail on both measures..........
Well we posted simultaneously yet both remembered to call out the French GP as an exception biggrin

My god, that apocalyptic turdfest needs to be ditched. Even this season, best for years, and still the French GP was unaffected. It's impossible to elevate something so unutterably wky.

romeodelta

388 posts

116 months

Thursday 12th December 2019
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Same thoughts here too.

Going to see how the first race pans out and pencil it in for 2021.

coppice

6,063 posts

99 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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I haven't been to Ricard for decades , but whilst it wasn't Spa, the circuit was not as bad as some , but it does seem to have become fashionable to sneer at it . The area is gorgeous , fabulous food of course (it's Provence, so it would be) and at least it is in a country with huge racing heritage,and not some godforsaken Middle East sheikdom . .

That said, my chief memory is the sight of little groups of ..err..working girls at every crossroads near the circuit. Odd, don't see too many down Towcester way ...

TheDeuce

5,777 posts

21 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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coppice said:
I haven't been to Ricard for decades , but whilst it wasn't Spa, the circuit was not as bad as some , but it does seem to have become fashionable to sneer at it . The area is gorgeous , fabulous food of course (it's Provence, so it would be) and at least it is in a country with huge racing heritage,and not some godforsaken Middle East sheikdom . .

That said, my chief memory is the sight of little groups of ..err..working girls at every crossroads near the circuit. Odd, don't see too many down Towcester way ...
It's a giant car park with a circuit painted on it, and the bits in-between painted in the colours of the French flag - because... National pride is more important than the global sport!?.. whatever. The colours and stripes are nausea inducing and the open plan layout removes any sense of speed. Or danger.

I agree about the food though. And France does have an important racing heritage and remain important in the sport today. That just makes their GP circuit offering all the less excusable though. It's crap.

Edited by TheDeuce on Friday 13th December 18:06

REALIST123

13,548 posts

108 months

Friday 13th December 2019
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coppice said:
I haven't been to Ricard for decades , but whilst it wasn't Spa, the circuit was not as bad as some , but it does seem to have become fashionable to sneer at it . The area is gorgeous , fabulous food of course (it's Provence, so it would be) and at least it is in a country with huge racing heritage,and not some godforsaken Middle East sheikdom . .

That said, my chief memory is the sight of little groups of ..err..working girls at every crossroads near the circuit. Odd, don't see too many down Towcester way ...
The food can’t make up for the other issues.

Access is awful, even with the new P and R, the circuit itself is soulless and the coloured abrasive sections........ vomit

They should just keep it as the test circuit it is.

coppice

6,063 posts

99 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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BigBen said:
I am actually of the opinion that the quality of the racing matters a lot less when you are there, it is more about the atmosphere. For instance I did Monaco one year and it was great despite the race undoubtedly being a snooze fest on TV.
You are so right . It is a sport which can only be appreciated fully by being there , seeing it, smelling it and hearing it - and preferably over the full 3 days. People tell me , from the infinite well of wisdom that comes only from watching grainy youtube footage, that the 80s turbo era of F1 was nothing special , because lots of racing was not as close as,now . And all I will say is that the 3 days I spent at Brands Hatch in 86 watching near uncontrollable turbo monsters at close range was mesmerising -and I have never seen anything better, anywhere.

But ANY GP is an event if you are there - TV is a pale shadow of reality

REALIST123

13,548 posts

108 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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coppice said:
BigBen said:
I am actually of the opinion that the quality of the racing matters a lot less when you are there, it is more about the atmosphere. For instance I did Monaco one year and it was great despite the race undoubtedly being a snooze fest on TV.
You are so right . It is a sport which can only be appreciated fully by being there , seeing it, smelling it and hearing it - and preferably over the full 3 days. People tell me , from the infinite well of wisdom that comes only from watching grainy youtube footage, that the 80s turbo era of F1 was nothing special , because lots of racing was not as close as,now . And all I will say is that the 3 days I spent at Brands Hatch in 86 watching near uncontrollable turbo monsters at close range was mesmerising -and I have never seen anything better, anywhere.

But ANY GP is an event if you are there - TV is a pale shadow of reality
Ha, that’s a reminder! I was at that ‘86 GP at Brands, with my 3 yo son. His first GP or circuit visit of any kind.

He’ll be taking me to Austin next year as a birthday treat...........how things change.

Teddy Lop

3,180 posts

22 months

Saturday 14th December 2019
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coppice said:
BigBen said:
I am actually of the opinion that the quality of the racing matters a lot less when you are there, it is more about the atmosphere. For instance I did Monaco one year and it was great despite the race undoubtedly being a snooze fest on TV.
You are so right . It is a sport which can only be appreciated fully by being there , seeing it, smelling it and hearing it - and preferably over the full 3 days. People tell me , from the infinite well of wisdom that comes only from watching grainy youtube footage, that the 80s turbo era of F1 was nothing special , because lots of racing was not as close as,now . And all I will say is that the 3 days I spent at Brands Hatch in 86 watching near uncontrollable turbo monsters at close range was mesmerising -and I have never seen anything better, anywhere.

But ANY GP is an event if you are there - TV is a pale shadow of reality
this times a million.

We were at Melbourne last year, not our first GP and not a GP you'd perhaps cherry pick but travel plans and local friends made it easy, and what an occasion it was.

Yetski

430 posts

118 months

Wednesday 15th January
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TheDeuce said:
I don't think a crap race weekend at Hanoi will be quite as satisfying as one in Monaco - but having said that, I do hope one of the PH members goes and reports back, for all I know it could be excellent as a race and race venue..
I'll let you know, got tickets to view turns 2-3-4, will be interesting to see how it turns out, but Hanoi's great regardless.

Topbuzz

186 posts

135 months

Wednesday 15th January
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I’ll be watching this with interest. If it’s anything like when the U23 team play the locals will make a great weekend.
Sadly I won’t be over here for the race, missing it a month either side, but I’ll definitely catch any future races I can.

shtu

1,841 posts

101 months

Thursday 16th January
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Yetski said:
I'll let you know, got tickets to view turns 2-3-4, will be interesting to see how it turns out, but Hanoi's great regardless.
Have you managed to find a detailed seating plan anywhere?

Those are big stands on those turns, be good to see what the seat allocations are like.

TheDeuce

5,777 posts

21 months

Thursday 16th January
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Yetski

430 posts

118 months

Friday 17th January
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shtu said:
Have you managed to find a detailed seating plan anywhere?

Those are big stands on those turns, be good to see what the seat allocations are like.
No I haven't, I was hoping to get one when I received my seating allocation confirmation.

I requested one this morning, and will post if I get any response.

MiniMan64

12,509 posts

145 months

Friday 17th January
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Saudi Arabia next in line?

Megaflow

7,112 posts

180 months

Saturday 18th January
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TheDeuce said:
Back in November 2018 I said:

Megaflow said:
Having watched the video about the ‘track’ on the F1 YouTube channel, I’ll be stunned if this happens in 2020. The area that is supposed to be the pits, paddock and final section of the circuit is currently a swamp, literally.
Looks like I am going to have to eat a large slice of humble pie. To go from a swamp to that in a little over 12 months is *very* impressive. Makes you wonder why it takes so long to build stuff over here. Yes, I know we have a hideously complicated planning procedure, but I assume that planning had already been granted in November 2019 for it and if we had planning at the same time, we'd still be bhing about some triviality in the paper work some where.

TheDeuce

5,777 posts

21 months

Saturday 18th January
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Megaflow said:
Looks like I am going to have to eat a large slice of humble pie. To go from a swamp to that in a little over 12 months is *very* impressive. Makes you wonder why it takes so long to build stuff over here. Yes, I know we have a hideously complicated planning procedure, but I assume that planning had already been granted in November 2019 for it and if we had planning at the same time, we'd still be bhing about some triviality in the paper work some where.
Don't worry about it. I said the same about the 2012 Olympics - after the Wembley farce, I was sure red tape Britain would find a way of not being ready on time! I was very wrong though, it went without a hitch.

I think for Hanoi this is an opportunity to show they can organise and host a major event under the gaze of the world, no doubt they're taking that pretty seriously. Funny how governments suddenly get stuff done when the world is watching wink

BigBen

10,128 posts

185 months

Saturday 18th January
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TheDeuce said:
I think for Hanoi this is an opportunity to show they can organise and host a major event under the gaze of the world, no doubt they're taking that pretty seriously. Funny how governments suddenly get stuff done when the world is watching wink
To contradict this I was speaking to a friend who has been to check out the facilities and organisation, he suggested I give it a year to bed in. The main concern being the race weekend is also the pilot event for the facility.

I am probably still going to go mind you.

TheDeuce

5,777 posts

21 months

Saturday 18th January
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BigBen said:
TheDeuce said:
I think for Hanoi this is an opportunity to show they can organise and host a major event under the gaze of the world, no doubt they're taking that pretty seriously. Funny how governments suddenly get stuff done when the world is watching wink
To contradict this I was speaking to a friend who has been to check out the facilities and organisation, he suggested I give it a year to bed in. The main concern being the race weekend is also the pilot event for the facility.

I am probably still going to go mind you.
I'm sure the city will be in turmoil handling the extra traffic etc, and organisation won't be what it might be at other destinations... But the circuit will be ready and functional, the race will go ahead. From the outside world it'll look smooth and slick like any other I should think. From your point of view, at ground zero, you'll probably see a few cracks and maybe some hold ups on the way in and ticket/security queue etc. But it's all part of the experience and even if it's a ballache it's surely worth it to go to a maiden GP smile

Are you planning on attending Friday onwards?

BigBen

10,128 posts

185 months

Saturday 18th January
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TheDeuce said:
I'm sure the city will be in turmoil handling the extra traffic etc, and organisation won't be what it might be at other destinations... But the circuit will be ready and functional, the race will go ahead. From the outside world it'll look smooth and slick like any other I should think. From your point of view, at ground zero, you'll probably see a few cracks and maybe some hold ups on the way in and ticket/security queue etc. But it's all part of the experience and even if it's a ballache it's surely worth it to go to a maiden GP smile

Are you planning on attending Friday onwards?
Yep that would be the aim, I would combine it with some sightseeing in Vietnam not having been there yet.

Ben