The official Brazilian GP 2018 thread **spoilers**

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Starting Grid

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Tin foil hat time,

Ferrari had remarkable pace uphill through sector 3 and were clocking 18/20kph gains.

Underweight car? Seb knows and doesn’t play fair?

Steward routines should be as ingrained as a start.

Switching the engine off when on the sensors is a no no, it should be off before.

One things for sure the FIA will go back to the weighbridge in the garage (wheeled in and out) if this type of behaviour is to be come regular.

One thing that did pop into my mind is the electrical safety of the FIA Stewards.

For example when the cars box, the pit crew have protective clothing, specifically gloves when touching the car, to protect from the electrical energy element of the PU.

I could only see short sleeve shirts and trousers on the FIA chaps. No protective clothing?

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Seb incident with radio

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqBEG9FB9Dh/?hl=en

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angrymoby said:

simplest solution would be a substantial (i.e concrete base) 'engine off' lollipop in front of the scales & nobody touches the car until that happens ...drivers are just wasting their own time then

I’m sure this temporary weighbridge is used for other series, so the sensors are placed for where the wheels would be for the relevant series (although as we are aware some of these f1 cars have different dimensions/wheelbases).

I think your right they need a more semi permanent solution if they want one in the slow lane of the pits.

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angrymoby said:

Deesee said:

I’m sure this temporary weighbridge is used for other series, so the sensors are placed for where the wheels would be for the relevant series (although as we are aware some of these f1 cars have different dimensions/wheelbases).

I think your right they need a more semi permanent solution if they want one in the slow lane of the pits.

yeah, probably same piece of scrutineering kit that is shipped to each track

i'm just thinking that something clear & unequivocal so any 'ambiguity' can't be exploited ...& something that is still movable by hand, but would damage the car if you drove into it ...unlike the current cones that a child could pick up (or a petulant child can punt)

How about this temporary, low tech, low cost a little more of a deterrent then a cone.

Infact id say every cop car in San Paulo will have one.

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Race Tyres and expected pit/tyre strategy/s.

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Great race,

Max, tut tut, that’s throwing a race win away.

And here’s the champagne handbags

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqDawCQhBax/?hl=en

There’s a little bit of me that would have wanted Kmag to have been Ocon.

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Derek Smith said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Anyone else think that being schooled by Hamilton live in TV might not have helped Max’s mood

Anyone else think that might be one of the reasons it was made?

When a five time champion talks listen..

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqDY61FBaKn/?hl=en

So then in the press pit, shrugs..

Max will never learn.

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pgh said:

37chevy said:

It was more amazing how max could fly past the Ferraris down the straight DRS or not

I *think* but not sure where to check, that Red Bull have used more than their allocated number of engines, while Merc and Ferrari are now eking theirs out to the end of the season.

There u go...

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pgh said:

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There u go...

Thank you!

So Max running a fresher engine than the red or silver cars.

Just looked at the Toro Rosso figures. Gulp.

Lewis took his 3rd for Belgium (so still in his pool of 3 units).

Max 3rd for Italy 4th Japan.

No idea on mileage on them, but I know Max’s 3 in the pool will be lower.

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ELUSIVEJIM said:

Deesee said:

When a five time champion talks listen..

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqDY61FBaKn/?hl=en

So then in the press pit, shrugs..

Max will never learn.

Why would he listen to Hamilton?

Did Hamilton listen to Alonso?

Did Schumacher listen to Senna?

Did Senna listen to Prost?

Verstappen showed how good he was to get into the lead in Brazil.

If Red Bull and Honda can fight with Mercedes and Ferrari then it will be a brilliant 2019.

Hamilton Max

Max cost himself a race victory and 600k in bonuses because he can’t think straight in a race car. Lewis said why? You did not need to?

Hamilton Alonso

Hamilton sucked all the info in, and took it to him, FA stopped sharing, followed by chaos.

Shumi Senna, ?

Senna Prost, senna absorbed every ounce that Alain gave away knowingly and unknowingly, became a better driver and even a WDC once they worked together.

Verstappen showed that when the engine is booted up, and they are running super slick aero, he can overtake the front runners, (but only they have eyes on a bigger prize).

Although when the engine is turned down, and he’s on fuel save mode and someone who is not even in the points wants to unlap himself (and .5 sec quicker a lap) he’ll go wheel to wheel for no reason what so ever, rather than run the race until the end, Similar in Mexico and got away with it and now Brazil where he did not.

TBH Red Bull could have had a few more scalps this year if they had more attentive drivers.

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ELUSIVEJIM said:

What do people make of Vettel weighbridge incident?

Onboard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7NhjEba2r0

Rear view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQkJYy2Yhs

Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Tuesday 13th November 09:40

have a look at page 7 to say 15 on this thread...

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Nickp82 said:

Oh dear, Max managing to make himself look an even bigger plonker.

Elsewhere from Maxgate, is Pierre Gasly displaying a bit of a petulant side? He seems quite demanding on radio and ignored team orders during the race, I believe?

Yep, he will fit in well with Max next yr, CH will have his hands full.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqF_DGihBnq/

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Chain bear on the weighbridge

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6pqblLuBs-A

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Blink982 said:

The onboard footage of the barrier collapsing under the weight of celebrating Merc mechanics from Max's car is priceless.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqISuYqBOb_/?hl=en

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LDN said:

tobinen said:

I just hope Ocon has a drive next year. It would be a shame if the potential for more needle is lost.

Ocon seems to be the only driver so far to set his stall out against Verstappen, though Hamilton showed him some manners in China before, can't recall the year.

I hope Ocon replaces Bottas at some stage. It would make sense. We’d see Ocon in a Merc against Max in an RB.

No love lost between these two, they had a tight battle in F3, when Ocon beat Verstappen to the title.

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What happens when Dani Ric takes the Mercedes instagram/twitter phone...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqKeNXJBPPP/?hl=en

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ELUSIVEJIM said:

HighwayStar said:

I believe Lewis was around 4secs behind Max (and nursing a sick engine) when Ocon emerged between them from the pits. The blue flags were at the presumption he would catch the FI. He didn't. Notice in the various shots we've seen of both cars, at turn 1, going into turn 2 and the actual Max/Ocon mash up, car 44 is nowhere near. Lewis in not in shot at all. If he was right there we know he'd have been moaning about being held up.
There was no Ocon ignoring blue flags in then sense of actually impeding Lewis. Sparta gets it wrong again...

Hamilton was 4 seconds behind when the accident happened.

That is why I find it strange when he stated this after the Brazilian race

“I saw it happen,” said Hamilton. “It wasn’t something that… I wasn’t surprised by it.

He saw it he was at the top of the hill when there was contact

Watch this clip.

Lewis passes as max stops spinning/sliding

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqDQ1MfBqCH/?hl=en

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ELUSIVEJIM said:

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He saw it he was at the top of the hill when there was contact

Watch this clip.

Lewis passes as max stops spinning/sliding

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqDQ1MfBqCH/?hl=en

Perhaps the battle between Verstappen and Ocon cost a second as Hamilton was clearly closer.

Thank you for that

Racing (time) gaps by lap, and drivers laps







You can see that Lewis backs off when Ocon boxes / comes out his decreasing trend of laps stabilised and increased gap to leader from 2 seconds to 2.7 seconds, lapping high 1.13 low 1.14s.

Ocon is flying at 1.128.

Max whom was comfortably doing low 1.12’s slows to mid 1.13s to defend against a backmarker.

You can see from the contact Max lost about 8 seconds and lead of the race, Esteban lost 10 seconds (contact) + an additional 36 seconds in the stop go + additional traffic, probably cost WCC points.

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RichB said:

velocgee said:

TheLimla said:

Laps building up to the incident https://streamable.com/fkpqj

Max was aware the Force India was pushing, still decided to close the door! Idiot!

This video is the most telling; it gives the whole picture.

This is also on the F1 website so someone felt the story needed to be told.

Hamilton was spot on.

Watching while listening to the radio exchanges is quite revealing.

Fresh rubber
Drs
A tow

Max shuts the door!