The official Brazilian GP 2018 thread **spoilers**

[Stan the Bat]

TheInternet said:

The Moose said:

it’s clear that the apple doesn’t fall from the Verstappen tree!

The turd doesn't fall far from the arse, in this case.

Sheer poetry mate.

[Jasandjules]

The Moose said:

Sure. But when you review the footage, and get to this point (or a couple of frames earlier):

Actually when you see them down the pit straight and see Max move to the left to stop Ocon undertaken into T1.... He must have lost a few tenths going off line to do that and for no reason at all. Petulance.

[snake_oil]

Stan the Bat said:

TheInternet said:

The Moose said:

it’s clear that the apple doesn’t fall from the Verstappen tree!

The turd doesn't fall far from the arse, in this case.

Sheer poetry mate.

The bard himself was never so eloquent.

[RichB]

DS240 said:

The Moose said:

A Petulant Child said:

And then you meet someone like him who doesn't even apologise for what happened

And there’s the thought process. Max thinks he can do no wrong. Look at the replay you silly child and see that you turned right across the front of another car. He has gone down in my estimation having seen that race.

Good piece by Jolyon Palmer in bbc news site with his view of the situation. Well written and the correct view of the incident in my opinion. Seemingly from most professionals the view is Ocon was wrong.

However Palmer uses words in his piece intention designed to be provocative. Hamilton "defends" and "argues" etc.

While Ocon was indeed at fault, I watched the brief conversation, for that's what it was, between Hamilton and Verstappen and he did not defend anyone, there was no argument. He simply passed a comment to Verstappen that he had more to lose than Ocon. Sometimes people really do try to over analyse things, the three of them were in the cool-down room and with Raikkonen rarely speaking they simply passed a few words. I realise journalists have to fill their pages with so many words but in this case I think Palmer is making something of nothing in order to fill the necessary lines.

It's been done to death, Ocon was wrong to impede the race leader, Verstappen was daft not to let him through and drive on sublimely to the winning flag.

[jm doc]

The Moose said:

DS240 said:

The Moose said:

A Petulant Child said:

And then you meet someone like him who doesn't even apologise for what happened

And there’s the thought process. Max thinks he can do no wrong.

Look at the replay you silly child and see that you turned right across the front of another car.

He has gone down in my estimation having seen that race.

Good piece by Jolyon Palmer in bbc news site with his view of the situation. Well written and the correct view of the incident in my opinion.

Seemingly from most professionals the view is Ocon was wrong.

Edited by DS240 on Tuesday 13th November 16:51

Sure. But when you review the footage, and get to this point (or a couple of frames earlier):


Max knows Ocon is hanging out on the right of him, and he just turns to hit the apex.

Maybe Ocon shouldn't have been there...and it seems that people with much more driving experience think that. However, once Ocon is there, you have to adjust. Turning to hit the apex just wasn't necessary but instead of losing a tenth, he lost a win.

I just can't accept that, in any meaning of the word "race" and "racing", you could suggest that when driving a faster car you should not be in the position that Ocon was. He clearly has track position. He was racing. Verstappen was trying to defend, again, as he clearly had done yards earlier in turn one, and he drove into Ocon. End of story.

Ocon has every right, and as his team would expect given the money they and their sponsors have invested, to be allowed to race without prejudice. He was not a backmarker being lapped, he had been passed whilst in the pits getting fresh tyres and came out to continue his race before being taken out for having the temerity to try to pass someone cruising around trying to conserve their tyres and engine and massaging their ego.

[Blink982]

The onboard footage of the barrier collapsing under the weight of celebrating Merc mechanics from Max's car is priceless.

[Deesee]

Blink982 said:

The onboard footage of the barrier collapsing under the weight of celebrating Merc mechanics from Max's car is priceless.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqISuYqBOb_/?hl=en

[The Moose]

Deesee said:

Blink982 said:

The onboard footage of the barrier collapsing under the weight of celebrating Merc mechanics from Max's car is priceless.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqISuYqBOb_/?hl=en

I like these bits that Liberty Media put out. Makes it much better for the fans

[anonymous-user]

The Moose said:

Sure. But when you review the footage, and get to this point (or a couple of frames earlier):


Max knows Ocon is hanging out on the right of him, and he just turns to hit the apex.

Maybe Ocon shouldn't have been there...and it seems that people with much more driving experience think that. However, once Ocon is there, you have to adjust. Turning to hit the apex just wasn't necessary but instead of losing a tenth, he lost a win.

That image is surely a computer generated one.

Looks fake.

[anonymous-user]

Deesee said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqISuYqBOb_/?hl=en

Must be the only mistake Hamilton has made all year.

Very funny.

Especially when Max hits the 2nd place board and then sees that.

Perhaps it was the final straw

[The Moose]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

The Moose said:

Sure. But when you review the footage, and get to this point (or a couple of frames earlier):


Max knows Ocon is hanging out on the right of him, and he just turns to hit the apex.

Maybe Ocon shouldn't have been there...and it seems that people with much more driving experience think that. However, once Ocon is there, you have to adjust. Turning to hit the apex just wasn't necessary but instead of losing a tenth, he lost a win.

That image is surely a computer generated one.

Looks fake.

Nope. It’s a screenshot I took from the YouTube clip of the incident.

[anonymous-user]

The Moose said:

Nope. It’s a screenshot I took from the YouTube clip of the incident.

I actually thought it was a computer generated scene of the duel.

Eye test

[zombeh]

RichB said:

It's been done to death, Ocon was wrong to impede the race leader, Verstappen was daft not to let him through and drive on sublimely to the winning flag.

The problem I think for Verstappen going forward is that he's made it very clear the car in front is the important one and no matter how much faster the car behind is at that point they should never be allowed to pass even to the point of driving in to them. Good luck to him the next time he qualifies poorly and wants all the objectively slower cars who ultimately aren't really racing him to just let him through during the race.

[Mr Tidy]

RichB said:

However Palmer uses words in his piece intention designed to be provocative. Hamilton "defends" and "argues" etc.

Yes, and which F1 team is "superstar" Palmer driving for this season? Or indeed next season?

He had his chance and blew it - I really don't think he is in any position to judge drivers like Ocon, Perez, Hulkenberg, Grosjean, etc. when he couldn't keep up with them!

[anonymous-user]

Mr Tidy said:

RichB said:

However Palmer uses words in his piece intention designed to be provocative. Hamilton "defends" and "argues" etc.

Yes, and which F1 team is "superstar" Palmer driving for this season? Or indeed next season?

He had his chance and blew it - I really don't think he is in any position to judge drivers like Ocon, Perez, Hulkenberg, Grosjean, etc. when he couldn't keep up with them!

.....,and the motley lot on here, most of whom have never even sat in any race car, let alone an F1 car, are in a position to judge?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

The Moose said:

Deesee said:

Blink982 said:

The onboard footage of the barrier collapsing under the weight of celebrating Merc mechanics from Max's car is priceless.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqISuYqBOb_/?hl=en

I like these bits that Liberty Media put out. Makes it much better for the fans

Have you watched Hamilton’s team debrief? I personally found it very inspiring, something Hamilton rarely lets skip to the wider world.

[RichB]

REALIST123 said:

Mr Tidy said:

RichB said:

However Palmer uses words in his piece intention designed to be provocative. Hamilton "defends" and "argues" etc.

Yes, and which F1 team is "superstar" Palmer driving for this season? Or indeed next season? He had his chance and blew it - I really don't think he is in any position to judge drivers like Ocon, Perez, Hulkenberg, Grosjean, etc. when he couldn't keep up with them!

..,and the motley lot on here, most of whom have never even sat in any race car, let alone an F1 car, are in a position to judge?

If you are referring to Mr Tidy's comment then I can't comment. If you were referring to my original remark it was criticising Palmer for the sensationalist style of writing rather than anything to do with his driving ability.

[tobinen]

I just hope Ocon has a drive next year. It would be a shame if the potential for more needle is lost.

Ocon seems to be the only driver so far to set his stall out against Verstappen, though Hamilton showed him some manners in China before, can't recall the year.

[Exige77]

Ocon and Maxecution both in Red Bull.

That would be fun

[heebeegeetee]

jm doc said:

He was not a backmarker being lapped, he had been passed whilst in the pits getting fresh tyres and came out to continue his race before being taken out for having the temerity to try to pass someone cruising around trying to conserve their tyres and engine and massaging their ego.

That's not a fair appraisal at all. As much as I think Verstappen was idiotic, he was in a genuine battle with Lewis Hamilton for the race win, and possibly didn't want to lose any time at all. Meantime, the other guy is in 16th place.

To describe Verstappen as "cruising" is ridiculous, imo.