The official Brazilian GP 2018 thread **spoilers**
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
Verstappen was aware of Hamilton's problems. He was, according to him, looking after his tyres. In other words the wick was turned down. He would pace himself to Hamilton.
Or another way of putting it is cruising.
Okay then, but maybe there you have the reason why Verstappen didn't win the race. After a long and incredible season imo, people still haven't learned that they've not beaten Hamilton and/or Mercedes until the chequered flag is waved, and that applies both to the race and to qualifying.Or another way of putting it is cruising.
I'd have thought both Max and Red Bull would have been at maximum concentration, but maybe you're right, Max took the eye off the ball, chose to race Ocon instead of Hamilton, and another win lost.
As I said before, I'd be interested to see how many points Max has thrown away this season.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
JNW1 said:
Well apparently Jolyon Palmer thought it was the worst piece of driving he'd ever seen in F1: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06rfyh2
I can only assume he's never watched a replay of the start of the 1990 Japanese GP.......
The 1989 Japanese GP started what was finished at the same track a year later.I can only assume he's never watched a replay of the start of the 1990 Japanese GP.......
Prost turned in early knowing he would hit Senna and win the title.
He made sure of it with his best friend Jean-Marie Balestre when Senna went on to win that race.
Jean-Marie Balestre was meddling behind the scenes during 1989 and 1990 and this is why the 1990 Japanese GP finished as it did.
Senna's actions were extreme but so was what was going on behind his back.
And I wasn't trying to be anti-Senna with my reference to Suzuka 1990, just calling it as I see it; the best piece of driving I've ever seen in F1 remains his opening lap at Donington in 1993....
heebeegeetee said:
As I said before, I'd be interested to see how many points Max has thrown away this season.
More than enough to lose a championship, had he been in the hunt. He totally lacks what JYS called mind management. Unfortunately, he's a fool to himself.His Genome lacks a learning gene.
Vet seems to have a not dis-similar issue - doesn't learn from experience.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Prost was pictured speaking to Balestre after colliding with Senna in 1989.
He actually ran to the officials.
Then at 1990 Suzuka GP Balestre moved the pole position to the dirty side of the track which put Prost who was 2nd on the grid on the clean side.
But Balestre hated Prost??
Oh well that's it then, if they spoke they couldn't have hated each other.He actually ran to the officials.
Then at 1990 Suzuka GP Balestre moved the pole position to the dirty side of the track which put Prost who was 2nd on the grid on the clean side.
But Balestre hated Prost??
I'm sorry but my recollections from reading Nigel Roebuck at the time was that there was no love lost between prost and Balestre. The only thing they had in common was they were both from the same nation, but that's rarely a reason to be best friends.
Have you also read what prost has said about the immediate aftermath of the collision? He has said that he bitterly regrets climbing out of that car and regards it as the biggest mistake of his life. His car was undamaged, he had no need to make a pit stop, even if the marshals had push started him after Senna (which they shouldn't have done as Prost was the race leader) he would have passed Senna in the pits.
At the time he was of the mind that there wasn't grounds for a push start (and that was my thought at the time also), Senna's push start was illegal, and so obviously he would have spoken to the officials to find out what was going on.
JNW1 said:
Well apparently Jolyon Palmer thought it was the worst piece of driving he'd ever seen in F1: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06rfyh2
Those comments were made in the heat of the moment, having not seen the build up, and Jolyon also seems to have forgotten that drivers are allowed to unlap themselves. I mean Jolyon's comments differed greatly from Hamilton's, didn't they?Be interested to see if Jolyon still agrees with his comments made at the time.
heebeegeetee said:
JNW1 said:
Well apparently Jolyon Palmer thought it was the worst piece of driving he'd ever seen in F1: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06rfyh2
Those comments were made in the heat of the moment, having not seen the build up, and Jolyon also seems to have forgotten that drivers are allowed to unlap themselves. I mean Jolyon's comments differed greatly from Hamilton's, didn't they?Be interested to see if Jolyon still agrees with his comments made at the time.
The comments are from his regular report on the BBC F1 site, published yesterday. Hardly comments made in the heat of the moment.
I doubt commentators with a contract to protect say what they really mean. Most journos write for a purpose, and that's not spreading the word according to them.
Brundle - one of the most respected commentators in the pit lane, which was why he was picked as a target - was threatened with being banned for a phrase that was in common usage in the incident he was commentating on. Whilst he kept his job, the lesson for all journos was well learned; if even Brundle could lose his job for not following the corporate line, then the rest have no chance.
Many reputable journos, especially on smaller magazines and ambitious websites had to protect their pit passes so criticising those in authority was not allowed. You frequently heard, following the fire in Germany and the cruise control controversy that 'everyone knew'. So why didn't they publish?
Brundle - one of the most respected commentators in the pit lane, which was why he was picked as a target - was threatened with being banned for a phrase that was in common usage in the incident he was commentating on. Whilst he kept his job, the lesson for all journos was well learned; if even Brundle could lose his job for not following the corporate line, then the rest have no chance.
Many reputable journos, especially on smaller magazines and ambitious websites had to protect their pit passes so criticising those in authority was not allowed. You frequently heard, following the fire in Germany and the cruise control controversy that 'everyone knew'. So why didn't they publish?
https://twitter.com/PhilDuncanF1/status/1062674967...
F1 standings after opening 10 rounds:
1. Vettel 171
2. Hamilton 163
3. Räikkönen 116
4. Ricciardo 106
5. Bottas 104
6. Verstappen 93
F1 standings after last 10 rounds:
1. Hamilton 220
2. Verstappen 141
3. Räikkönen 135
4. Bottas 133
5. Vettel 131
6. Ricciardo 52
Interesting stats on the 2 halves of the year for the 3 top teams.
F1 standings after opening 10 rounds:
1. Vettel 171
2. Hamilton 163
3. Räikkönen 116
4. Ricciardo 106
5. Bottas 104
6. Verstappen 93
F1 standings after last 10 rounds:
1. Hamilton 220
2. Verstappen 141
3. Räikkönen 135
4. Bottas 133
5. Vettel 131
6. Ricciardo 52
Interesting stats on the 2 halves of the year for the 3 top teams.
REALIST123 said:
heebeegeetee said:
JNW1 said:
Well apparently Jolyon Palmer thought it was the worst piece of driving he'd ever seen in F1: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06rfyh2
Those comments were made in the heat of the moment, having not seen the build up, and Jolyon also seems to have forgotten that drivers are allowed to unlap themselves. I mean Jolyon's comments differed greatly from Hamilton's, didn't they?Be interested to see if Jolyon still agrees with his comments made at the time.
The comments are from his regular report on the BBC F1 site, published yesterday. Hardly comments made in the heat of the moment.
The link quoted is from the race commentary, as it happens. Do you have a link for any comments he’s made later. I’d be interested to see if jolyon still thinks it’s the worst driving he’s ever seen.
Badgerboy said:
RichB said:
hat comment was that Derek?
I believe it related to a certain fraternity of mobile 'scallywags', and how they could potentially totally give Bernie a good deal on filling in a hole found on track with some 'tarmac left over from a job'.Laps building up to the incident https://streamable.com/fkpqj
Max was aware the Force India was pushing, still decided to close the door! Idiot!
Max was aware the Force India was pushing, still decided to close the door! Idiot!
Badgerboy said:
RichB said:
hat comment was that Derek?
I believe it related to a certain fraternity of mobile 'scallywags', and how they could potentially totally give Bernie a good deal on filling in a hole found on track with some 'tarmac left over from a job'.When a senior Ferrari employee colluded with a senior McLaren employee for their own ends, McLaren were subject of the biggest investigation ever in F1, and not by just a little. It was massive. They delved into everything and came up with nothing. The bloke in charge of the FIA at the time, he wants to be forgotten an I'm quite happy with that, fined McL $100,000 for the FIA's inability to find anything. It was built up to be the biggest scandal ever despite the fact that worse had happened to other teams, including McL. The biggest scandal was the way it was run.
There were lots and lots of comments in magazines and online. Brundle wrote in one class-leading magazine the phrase witch-hunt. It was not the first time the magazine had used the phrase, and to suggest it was in common parlance would be to underestimate its use.
Brundle was threatened with the loss of his privileges, or, to put it another way, his career as there's no way he could have carried on after being blocked. It was an unprecedented move, at least in most democratic countries, and would have been an appalling misuse of authority.
The action was dropped but the message was clear; if someone as prominent and well-respected as Brundle could lose his career if the boss was upset, then no one was safe.
So commentators – journos as well as those on air – were made well aware that they should be very careful of what they say.
I’m not suggesting this is unique to F1 of course. All journos knew of the drug taking in the long cycling tours, and in particular that of Armstrong, but when a journo tried to publicise itp, they all went into fight for the cyclist. One might guess that they were worried about access to the big teams. There was one famous commentator – he’s since left – was really quite vociferous in his support for the sport being clean. It makes you wonder if he ever opened his eyes.
There was one F1 website that was often near the edge in their reporting, particularly of the farce of the big inquiry, but all of a sudden it became part of the establishment. Shame really. It's still ok for results and such, but little else.
Pure Pit Wall from Mercedes... never actually watch one before but very informative, open and honest...
https://youtu.be/L_t8Ir1VBbk
https://youtu.be/L_t8Ir1VBbk
RichB said:
angrymoby said:
sparta6 said:
And there we have it.
Rules is rules.
There is a separate thread on the BS of blue flags in F1
afaiaa blue flags are to warn drivers when a 'faster' driver is approaching & within 1.2s ...not sure Hamilton was either of those tbhRules is rules.
There is a separate thread on the BS of blue flags in F1
sparta6 said:
RichB said:
angrymoby said:
sparta6 said:
And there we have it.
Rules is rules.
There is a separate thread on the BS of blue flags in F1
afaiaa blue flags are to warn drivers when a 'faster' driver is approaching & within 1.2s ...not sure Hamilton was either of those tbhRules is rules.
There is a separate thread on the BS of blue flags in F1
Edited by TheLimla on Thursday 15th November 13:19
TheLimla said:
sparta6 said:
RichB said:
angrymoby said:
sparta6 said:
And there we have it.
Rules is rules.
There is a separate thread on the BS of blue flags in F1
afaiaa blue flags are to warn drivers when a 'faster' driver is approaching & within 1.2s ...not sure Hamilton was either of those tbhRules is rules.
There is a separate thread on the BS of blue flags in F1
Edited by TheLimla on Thursday 15th November 13:19
No penalty.
Beneath his charming French accent lays a greasy hustler
sparta6 said:
TheLimla said:
sparta6 said:
RichB said:
angrymoby said:
sparta6 said:
And there we have it.
Rules is rules.
There is a separate thread on the BS of blue flags in F1
afaiaa blue flags are to warn drivers when a 'faster' driver is approaching & within 1.2s ...not sure Hamilton was either of those tbhRules is rules.
There is a separate thread on the BS of blue flags in F1
Edited by TheLimla on Thursday 15th November 13:19
No penalty.
Beneath his charming French accent lays a greasy hustler
Video also shows Max jinking down the straight to the left into turn 1. Looks like he decided he was always going to fight Ocon trying to pass.
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