Vote here to stop insanity of new graphics next year
Discussion
JonChalk said:
London424 said:
Do you not watch other sports? Plenty of analytics knocking around.
True, but this isn't analysis.There's a difference between this and say;
a) time spent in opponents 22 in rugby,
b) statistical win / loss records, batting averages,
c) distance run by a player in a football match.
Those are real measures and genuine, inarguable data to assist the (deluded) masses who think / are told sport is "improved" by instant betting and, more importantly, to the interested fan who just likes data about their sport.
This "insight" stuff is not based on real live data from the teams (if so, my problems with it would be severely lessened) - are the teams really going to provide real live tyre temperatures out to the rest of the world? And how the hell can there be real live "measure" of tyre wear during the race. The more I think about it, the car "performance" one annoys the crap out of me as much as the overtake one.
Try things like Poker, Baseball etc.
I can see the predictive ones (chance to overtake/pit), removing some of the excitement - holding your breath as you see one car emerging from the pitlane whilst the other is barreling down the main straight is one of the few joys still left in the sport. I don't need the odds to tell me will he/won't he before it actually happens.
I do however like the 'car performance' graphic though. I think it has real potential to add to the drama - knowing that Vettel at 87% is closing on Lewis who's at 63% with 5 laps to go for example. There's enough information on there to make 'Vettel's tyres are 6 laps younger than Lewis's' a bit more tangible.
I do however like the 'car performance' graphic though. I think it has real potential to add to the drama - knowing that Vettel at 87% is closing on Lewis who's at 63% with 5 laps to go for example. There's enough information on there to make 'Vettel's tyres are 6 laps younger than Lewis's' a bit more tangible.
I've got no issue with the idea of a chance of overtaking graphic but the name I think might be a problem. It's a probability not a forecast and it's clear this is already causing confusion all over the web.
What I believe they are trying to do is communicate the difficulty involved in making a pass under different scenarios. Two passed on which on the surface look the same can be very different. A car with higher straight line speed and fresher tyres passing a slower car on worn tyres looks awfully similar often to a slower car on older tyres making the same pass. Unless you understand all of the variables involved the skill involved in a pass can often be lost particularly on TV which tends to make things look tame.
What I believe they are trying to do is communicate the difficulty involved in making a pass under different scenarios. Two passed on which on the surface look the same can be very different. A car with higher straight line speed and fresher tyres passing a slower car on worn tyres looks awfully similar often to a slower car on older tyres making the same pass. Unless you understand all of the variables involved the skill involved in a pass can often be lost particularly on TV which tends to make things look tame.
Downward said:
Its all raced on a computer anyway.
I’ve watched F1 since the 80’s but i’m sick of the pit strategy crap.
So, you started watching F1 during the decade in which the strategic pitstop began, through the 90s when computer technology began to influence race strategy and it's taken another 18 years to decide it's not for you?I’ve watched F1 since the 80’s but i’m sick of the pit strategy crap.
JonChalk
Someone’s fixed it for you..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v...
(This guy is great)!
Someone’s fixed it for you..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v...
(This guy is great)!
Presumably these will be as helpful as the stuff this year?
The corner speed one that comes up twice per race with nothing to compare against
The predicted pit strategy thing that's varied from "actually about right due to a convenient safety car" through to "directly contradicting the chap from Pirelli who was on screen at the same time and wasn't the strategy run by any car during the race"
and my personal favourite, when two cars are running fairly close together and gaining on the one ahead half the timing list being taken up by pictures of the drivers and a huge "battle between" heading removing the gap to the car ahead and pushing a few cars off screen completely. That one might not have an AWS logo on it though.
The chance to overtake thing could be amusing if it appears every time Croft shouts that someone's about to try and overtake the car they're almost a second behind with "0%" next to it
Is this all the proposed graphics for Australia? or the rest of the season? I can't recall the last time shiny new stuff made it unchanged through the first third of the season no matter how useful it was (I quite liked the time difference being coloured in at a higher resolution than just the three sectors, can we have that back please)
The corner speed one that comes up twice per race with nothing to compare against
The predicted pit strategy thing that's varied from "actually about right due to a convenient safety car" through to "directly contradicting the chap from Pirelli who was on screen at the same time and wasn't the strategy run by any car during the race"
and my personal favourite, when two cars are running fairly close together and gaining on the one ahead half the timing list being taken up by pictures of the drivers and a huge "battle between" heading removing the gap to the car ahead and pushing a few cars off screen completely. That one might not have an AWS logo on it though.
The chance to overtake thing could be amusing if it appears every time Croft shouts that someone's about to try and overtake the car they're almost a second behind with "0%" next to it
Is this all the proposed graphics for Australia? or the rest of the season? I can't recall the last time shiny new stuff made it unchanged through the first third of the season no matter how useful it was (I quite liked the time difference being coloured in at a higher resolution than just the three sectors, can we have that back please)
Munter said:
Read all about it. Read all about it.
F1 fan in "I want it how I remember it being when it was actually different to how I remember it, but it was new to me and my life was generally easier then." Shocker.
No. Not at all - you've made some massively incorrect assumptions there, chum.F1 fan in "I want it how I remember it being when it was actually different to how I remember it, but it was new to me and my life was generally easier then." Shocker.
I love the new V6 hybrid engines.
Don't want a return to refuelling.
Believe all this tyre-wear b*llocks is just that - read any F1 driver's autobiog and they will tell you the same.
Find the tower on the left hand side of the screen useful, now I'm not paying for the F1 app.
Admire the intent of halo, if not the actual execution.
Respect the engineering that goes into making the cars massively safer, while signifcantly faster (give or take)
The point is F1 needs to do even more to change going forwards, not less , and not on poitnless graphics.Even with this level of change, it still risks dying / wandering into irrelevance, and that would make me sad.
Deesee said:
JonChalk
Someone’s fixed it for you..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v...
(This guy is great)!
Someone’s fixed it for you..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v...
(This guy is great)!
JonChalk said:
Munter said:
Read all about it. Read all about it.
F1 fan in "I want it how I remember it being when it was actually different to how I remember it, but it was new to me and my life was generally easier then." Shocker.
No. Not at all - you've made some massively incorrect assumptions there, chum.F1 fan in "I want it how I remember it being when it was actually different to how I remember it, but it was new to me and my life was generally easier then." Shocker.
I love the new V6 hybrid engines.
Don't want a return to refuelling.
Believe all this tyre-wear b*llocks is just that - read any F1 driver's autobiog and they will tell you the same.
Find the tower on the left hand side of the screen useful, now I'm not paying for the F1 app.
Admire the intent of halo, if not the actual execution.
Respect the engineering that goes into making the cars massively safer, while signifcantly faster (give or take)
The point is F1 needs to do even more to change going forwards, not less , and not on poitnless graphics.Even with this level of change, it still risks dying / wandering into irrelevance, and that would make me sad.
18/19" wheels ASAP
Fully enclosed cockpits (it can be done)
Gradual amalgamation of F1 and LMP1 WEC cars - if you can't see that the ideal race series is a series of sprints / grand prix / endurance races (possibly all over a 3 day weekend) for all the top manufacturers and drivers, in the same car (reduced costs, travel, development, simplified rules) to deliver the very best driver / manufacturer.......different championships for each, overall champion....
So, no, not interested in the past.
zombeh said:
and my personal favourite, when two cars are running fairly close together and gaining on the one ahead half the timing list being taken up by pictures of the drivers and a huge "battle between" heading removing the gap to the car ahead
this, whatever tit signed off on that needs to hand in his man card and be made to wear a frock.JonChalk said:
Oh, and things, I really want F1 to embrace;
18/19" wheels ASAP
Fully enclosed cockpits (it can be done)
Gradual amalgamation of F1 and LMP1 WEC cars
How do you propose to gradually amalgamate a fundamentally open-cockpit, open-wheel grand prix formula with a closed-cockpit, closed-wheel endurance formula? And why would you want to?18/19" wheels ASAP
Fully enclosed cockpits (it can be done)
Gradual amalgamation of F1 and LMP1 WEC cars
It would be nice if there was an option for us grumpy old gits, something like 'Press the red button to watch without any extraneous sound effects or graphics. Just the cars and the basic timing.'
Maybe that is an option that is only available on F1TV, and this is just a ploy to get more subscribers by forcing so much unnecessary s
t onto the regular world feed?
Maybe that is an option that is only available on F1TV, and this is just a ploy to get more subscribers by forcing so much unnecessary s
t onto the regular world feed?JonChalk said:
Gradual amalgamation of F1 and LMP1 WEC cars - if you can't see that the ideal race series is a series of sprints / grand prix / endurance races (possibly all over a 3 day weekend) for all the top manufacturers and drivers, in the same car (reduced costs, travel, development, simplified rules) to deliver the very best driver / manufacturer.......different championships for each, overall champion....
The Group C cars from the 80s were, in effect, full bodied F1 cars with many running DFV variants and similar mechanical architecture. Amalgamation won't happen for the simple reason that F1 and WEC exist for two very different purposes from two entirely separate lineages. WEC is all about sports-prototypes. F1 is all about automotive engineering and design; a subtle but important difference.
All of the FIA series all serve differing roles in motor sport providing a diverse range of formulae that each appeal to different types of participants and spectators. For example, despite what many believe, Formula E doesn't exists to compete with F1, it's simply a different formula of racing.
That said, I would anticipate that any future amalgamation between series will likely emerge between F1 and FE but not for some time yet.
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